Arts and Craft
A new chat show that dives into the lives of musicians, filmmakers, performers, and artists from all walks of life, revealing the untold stories and hidden secrets that drive their creativity. Hosted by Nancy Magarill and Peter Michael Marino.
Arts and Craft
Carole Montgomery - Comedian and Producer
Carole Montgomery is a stand-up comedian, producer, and director who has headlined clubs & colleges across the USA. She is also the creator of the series “Funny Women of a Certain Age” on Showtime and live in clubs. On this episode, we get a backstage glimpse into the world of working in Vegas, outrageous comedy gigs, and Broadway child wrangling. www.carolemontgomery.com
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With over 2 dozen television credits to her name, CAROLE MONTGOMERY is a respected veteran of the standup comedy scene nationwide. In addition to her numerous television appearances, Carole has headlined clubs & colleges across the USA and starred in 2 different Las Vegas production shows. In her ten years as a LAS VEGAS STAR, it is estimated that she has been seen by over 5 million audience members.
Carole created the live stand up comedy show FUNNY WOMEN OF A CERTAIN AGE featuring female headliners over the age of 50 in 2017. The show was such a success that it was filmed for the Showtime network. It was the network’s highest rated comedy special for 2019 and it made TV history as the first comedy special to feature 6 women over the age of 50. The following year MORE Funny Women Of A Certain Age premiered with huge viewership. EVEN MORE Funny Women Of A Certain Age premiered Thanksgiving Eve 2021.
Carole is also an accomplished director & producer. She directed Jim Florentine’s solo show I’m Your Savior currently airing on Amazon Prime. She is currently developing a new solo show with activist and comedian Kaytlin Bailey called Whore’s Eye View.
Carole is proudest of her 11 comedy tours for Armed Forces Entertainment. Her NY Underground Comedy Allstars have performed in Iraq, Haiti, Kosovo, Holland, Kuwait, Diego Garcia, Singapore, Honduras, El Salvador, South Korea and Germany to rave reviews.
Carole was also a featured performer at the MONTREAL JUST FOR LAUGHS, BOSTON & NY COMEDY FESTIVALS.
www.carolemontgomery.com
www.funnywomenofacertainage.com
www.funnynevergetsold.com
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Produced and Edited by Arts and Craft.
Theme Music: Sound Gallery by Dmitry Taras.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So many people think the way to go is, I have to have an agent, I have to have a manager, and I have to have that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The only thing you need in show business, eventually, and that's even here and there, is a good lawyer.
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<v Nancy Magarill>She is a standup comedian, producer and director who has headlined clubs and colleges across the US.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>She is also the creator of the series, Funny Women of a Certain Age, on Showtime and Live in Clubs.
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<v Nancy Magarill>The delicious Carole Montgomery joins us today.
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<v Nancy Magarill>My name is Nancy Magarill.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I am a singer, songwriter, composer, performer, graphic and web designer.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And I'm Peter Michael Marino, and I'm a writer, producer, creator, performer, and educator.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We are New York based artists you may or may not have heard of.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And we are here to introduce you to other artists you may or may not have heard of.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I was thinking before you came on, Carole, because I have a talent crush on you.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I was like, oh, you know, we're going to ask Carole to be on the podcast, and she's going to be like, people always ask me to be on the damn podcast.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then it's like, because they just want funny people.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>They just want someone who's funny, you know, at least like they might have been talking about like the most boring, depressing movies of the last year.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>If you get a comedian on to talk about, it would be funny.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That made me wonder, do people expect you to be funny?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Like, do you ever get that like, oh, you're, I mean, I know it's old and tired, but you're a comedian, make me, tell me a joke, make me a laugh.
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<v Carole Montgomery>If I get it, it's from civilians.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's not from people like us.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's not from people in business, which is why I hate people.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, I'm just, I really, my husband knows, and my husband works on Broadway, so he knows, even when we go out, like for stuff for his stuff, I just, I'm like, I don't want to talk to anybody because they're gonna, oh, you're a comedian.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Even, you know, even, it's just.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's like dance for me monkey.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right, right.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I'm like, I've literally, I forgot what it was recently.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Somebody, somebody, some asshole, it was some bro guy, you know, tech bro, and he's like, oh yeah, hey, you know, you're a comedian.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Can you tell me a joke?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I said, yeah, you want to pay me $5,000.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, right.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>What does your husband do on Broadway?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I didn't know about this.
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<v Carole Montgomery>He's a child guardian.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>What?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, he's been taking care of the kids on Broadway for 20 years.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Get out of here.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is this a result of, now you have one son, is that right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is this a result of him, like your husband realizing, oh, I'm really good at this.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I should be working on Broadway.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh, okay.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, basically, no, he, you know what?
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<v Carole Montgomery>My son's a grown man now, he's 33, but when he was-
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh my God.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I know.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Wow.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But when he was young, we were both very involved in Little League.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And so we always had, you know, my house in Vegas smelled like boy for many years.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It just, you walk in, you're like, boy.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The team's here.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, great.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The team's here.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Basically, BO is everywhere, is what you're saying.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, and he's, you know, he's really good with children.
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<v Carole Montgomery>He always has to the point, you know, I'm not that way.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was the mom that all the children were scared of.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Wow.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know, but he was always like, why?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>We've got an hour.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>We'll figure it out.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Well, you know, because I just didn't take any shit from them.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I just didn't take any shit from them.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Like, I remember one time we were giving out snacks at Little League, and some kid just pushed in front of the line.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I looked at him.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I looked at him, I said, get to the back of the line.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And he goes, why?
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<v Carole Montgomery>And he's really like, and I went, because you fucking cut the line.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And he went back to the end of the line, you know?
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<v Carole Montgomery>So I mean, but Todd's not that way.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Todd is, Todd was and is an amazing father.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And he really, you know, he's done Matilda, Billy Elliot, School of Rock.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>There's a lot of kids in those shows.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh, he does like big company kid shows.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And he still, I mean, when the kids see him now, because a lot of the kids are adults, they still act like they're little kids when they see him and they hug him.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And they're like, oh, you know, so that's why, you know, he, Does he handle you also?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>No.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Is he like a wife handle?
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<v Nancy Magarill>So now you're his handler.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, no, no, I don't.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't suffer that at all.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I did not realize that you grew up in Las Vegas.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, I didn't grow.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, he, my son grew up in Las Vegas.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I grew up in Brooklyn.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I moved to LA when I was in my 20s.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Had, you know, did all the TV.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>To be to be a famous comedian.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, the usual shit that didn't happen.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And and then I moved.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I got offered to do a gig in Vegas.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And so I ended up staying in Vegas for 10 years.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I was 10 years.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You did topless shows.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Crazy Girls is topless.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Does that have that?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Does that one have the Titanic in it?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Crazy Girls?
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, there's one.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm telling you guys crazy girls, a topless show.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That's the Titanic.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But no, no, no, Titanic would be a topless show?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yes, there was a show at the Wrist in Peace Tropicana that I saw that had topless girls, feathery kind of topless girls.
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<v Carole Montgomery>That was probably Follies Bejaire.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then in the middle of this fucking folly show, there's a whole Titanic sequence with a boat coming on, sinking, people drowning.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It was fantastic.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And they were all topless.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then people like Carole have to come out and go, Oh, I gotta follow that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Now, were you topless?
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, please.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Because that's the thing, right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>These shows, you're perfect for these shows because they've got guys drooling and getting all hot and horny watching these girls.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then you come out and you're like the, don't give me any shit, guys, right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You're the one who slaps them around a little bit.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That's, you're perfect.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You're perfect for these shows.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yes.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>What was the other one?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Crazy Girls.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I love it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Midnight Fantasy.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh my God.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Was it literally at midnight?
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, no.
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<v Carole Montgomery>God, no.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, it just, you know, they come up with this dumbest name for these shows and everything.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Now they drop the midnight.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Now it's only called Fantasy.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is it?
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<v Nancy Magarill>So you did this for 10 years?
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<v Carole Montgomery>For 10 years.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That was your job.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That was your job.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Well, you know what?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was, like I said, I'd done all the TV, you know, I'd done all the TV shows, because back in the, you know, late 80s, early 90s, that's all you did.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know, you did the, you know, like Evening at the Improv.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Evening at the Improv, those type of shows.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know, MTV had a show, Caroline's Comedy Hour, so I had done all those shows, and I was on the road, and this is exactly why I did it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>There was one time I was leaving, because I would, I lived in LA, and I would fly back to the East, that's where I would be working, you know?
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I would leave, and my son was a toddler, and I would wake him up to say goodbye, and he would wail, mommy, don't leave me, and it was killing me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was absolutely killing me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then I got a chance to, you know, I was, you know, you probably don't know this story.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Do you know who Steve Sharippa is?
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<v Carole Montgomery>No.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The actor.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Okay, he was Bobby Bockela on The Sopranos.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Okay.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Okay, and he's on Blue Bloods now, but at the time, before that, he was the entertainment director at the Riviera, which is where Crazy Girls was.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So I was actually working at the comedy club in the Riviera, and he calls me up one morning, one afternoon, he goes, listen, the comic book, she got sick.
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<v Carole Montgomery>She had a heart attack.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I need you to fill in for her.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I said, but Steve, I'm doing the comedy club, because you're going to do both.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I did 28 shows that week.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I literally went from one show to the other, and then I'd stop and I'd go back to the other show.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I went, I did like, it was amazing.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then at the end of the week, they said, hey, you know, she's going to be out for a while.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Would you like to take her place until she gets better?
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I said, yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And she never came back.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>She never came back, huh?
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<v Carole Montgomery>She never came back.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Well, you know, I'm just saying.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>So you were like in your, you were in your thirties, early thirties?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Late thirties, early forties.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And making good money, right?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, I was making a lot of money.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was making, we bought a house.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We did the whole suburban life.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then we always wanted to come back home.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We always wanted to come back to New York.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And so when the second show, When Midnight Fantasy, you know, I knew when I knew it was.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Fantasy.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I know.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But I knew that it was the end because I was literally upstairs.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was in my room.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was reading.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And my husband, this is back in the day, we didn't really use cell phones.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So the house phone rings.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And my husband called me and says, the woman's name was Anita, who was the producer of Midnight Fantasy.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Because Anita is on the phone.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I stood on the top of the stairs.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I remember looking down at my husband going, this is it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's done.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I knew it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I knew it as soon as I picked up the phone.
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<v Carole Montgomery>As soon as he said she called, they were replacing me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>For no other reason that people like, what happens is they like to act like they're really nice.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So every year you work, they give you a little bit of a raise.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But I had been there three years and they didn't want to give me a raise in work and they can get some poor schmuck to do it for half of mine.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So I picked up the phone.
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<v Carole Montgomery>She says, Carole, we're going in a different direction.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We'll pay you for a month, but at the end of the month, you're done.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I was like, all right.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What can you do, right?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Unless it's in your contract.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'm going to Crazy Girls.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'm going across the street.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, no, no.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You don't even want to know that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>That's a story to be told in in person.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, I like that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We'd have to edit that one out.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>So when you're doing this show, you're doing these comedy bits, which you would interject probably three times, four times during the show.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I think it was like two or three times.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>What were you doing the same routine, but kind of just every few months, kind of just tweaking or updating to like whatever was topical?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Or how does that even work when you're doing, you know, like thousands and thousands of seats?
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<v Nancy Magarill>What does it mean that you were interjecting?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, I would just basically do my, I've always been a blue comic, which is so ironic now that I'm considered very tame compared to what's out there.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But most of the time, I did a lot of crowd work.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm really good at crowd work.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So inevitably, there is a father bringing their 21-year-old son there.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So there's material right there.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And so yeah, I mean, I don't really, I was not very, let's be honest, I was not very creative during that time.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I just basically, it was a job.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Do you remember the old Bugs Bunny?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Was it Bugs Bunny?
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was one of the Looney Tunes, where they're going in to check into work.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's like a rooster and I forgot, maybe it's a dog and they go in and they go, Mornin Bob, Mornin Bill, clink, clink, and then they walk outside and they chase each other.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And at the end, see you tomorrow, see you tomorrow.
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<v Carole Montgomery>That's exactly what I was doing.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh my God.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was making a lot of money.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I wanted to be home with my baby and we stayed there for 10 years, you know, we didn't move out till he was 14.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And that's great.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then you could go do what you wanted to do probably after or at least try to.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So you moved back east after and then what happened?
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then I had to start all over again.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Did you?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah, yeah, yeah, because even with all that footage.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Well, you have to put a little sizzle reel together, right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Here's me on America's, we didn't even have that back then, but here's me on this, here's me on that.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And you send a videotape through the mail, right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Maybe CD.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But here's what's fascinating about what you're saying is that back, first of all, I was a national headliner before I went to Vegas.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But that was, and then I got back at 18 years ago, I've been back here 18 years now.
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<v Carole Montgomery>18 years ago was just the beginning of all the internet and social media and stuff like that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So all of a sudden, all the fact that I headlined basically every comedy club in the country did not matter because I didn't have the followers.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, crazy.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was just stuck.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I was just stuck.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Right.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know what I mean?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Like I would pick up work and do work, but it took a long time to rebuild the career, even though everyone knew me, but they wanted whatever, whoever was on.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I think at that point it was last Comic Standing was the big deal.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah, you really did come up during that whole time.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>TV really started paying more attention to comics.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>We had those little ones you mentioned earlier, which were late night and you'd catch it on whatever weird channel.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then it became like ABC, Prime Time.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Here's the comedians doing a thing.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then Improv shows even the Who's Line Is It Anyway.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Who's Line Is It Anyway.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is that something you ever did any of, Improv?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I mean, other than in your own, in the work, because it seems like you'd be just amazing at it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, thank you.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I actually, I was in an improv group many, many years ago before called WhoProv, which was, there was a little tiny place called Who's On First On, 65th and 1st Avenue, it is now a Duck and Donut.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I remember that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The gentleman who recently passed away, but he was a big improv guy, and we used to do improv shows, so I've done improv.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm not, you know.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It wound up being a good tool for you to have in your-
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<v Carole Montgomery>In comedy.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>In comedy, right, right, right.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>But how about, like, did you ever have, like, an agent who was sending you out on commercial auditions, like for Bounty paper towel?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't know why I picked Bounty.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You just-
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You should really be in a Bounty commercial, Carole.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't know what they're missing.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Here's the thing about agents and managers, and, you know, I, for some reason, no one ever wanted to take me on.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, I was hit-
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<v Carole Montgomery>back then, I don't even know if they do that, but back when I was a young comic, there was a thing called hip pocketing, which meant that they would use you, but they wouldn't sign you.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So I had been hip pocketed with a big agency that ended up going to and merges with William Morris, which I don't even know what they are now.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I think they're still William Morris.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Anyway, so that, but for some reason, I never went that route.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And what's interesting about that is, is that when we did, and I know we will talk about the specials and all that stuff, but when we finally sold those, we did, my partner and I did that without an agent, without a manager.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We did it all by ourselves.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We did picking up the phone and go, who do you know?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Who do I know?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Let's get them there.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And that's, I mean, you know, so many people think the way to go is, I have to have an agent, I have to have a manager, and I have to have that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The only thing you need in show business, eventually, and that's even here and there, is a good lawyer.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And balls.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And balls, well.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>You're right, though.
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<v Nancy Magarill>There's nothing like a good lawyer.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, because, you know, for someone to write our, you know, to check and make sure we're not getting screwed or to make...
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<v Carole Montgomery>But for the most part, I've never...
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, in fact, one of my dearest friends is now my partner in Everything Funny Women, and she's a manager, and it was only...
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<v Carole Montgomery>And she said, well, I will...
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, we're partners in the enterprise that is Funny Women, but she does handle stuff for me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Like, when I need a manager, I say, call Barb.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But she's not really my manager.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't need a manager.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Like, people always just say, why aren't you and Barb working together?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I said, because I'd like her to make money.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Do you know what I mean?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't want her to make...
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, what am I going to say?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Hey, you want 15% of a $100 gig?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, that's stupid.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know?
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<v Carole Montgomery>So, but yeah, but I've never had a theatrical.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I did go up occasionally for acting roles, you know, in commercial roles.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But doing that is a whole other life.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Do you know what I mean?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That's a full-time job also, just being in that world.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then going out at night and performing.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And that's before self-tapes.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I mean, that's when you have to like cart yourself around all parts of Manhattan and wait in a waiting room with people who looked exactly like you for long periods of time.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then waiting a long time.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The one commercial I ended up doing, which was a national commercial, but I ended up getting cut from it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I ended up, you talk about schlepping.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was Christmas Eve.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was in the middle of a blizzard.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I had to go read for this thing.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was for, remember the Charles Schwab commercials where they animated the people talking, like they look like charcoals, charcoal people coming to life.
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<v Carole Montgomery>That's so, I was so excited because I was like, oh, I'm going to be animated.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I went in, I did the audition, I got the commercial.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We went down, we filmed the commercial.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then I got paid for the commercial and then they never used it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Wow.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh man.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I would have loved to have had that footage.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Those are like the ones that got away, right?
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<v Nancy Magarill>I want to circle back real quickly to what you said about attorneys.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Cause I think it's really important and it's nothing we've ever really discussed, at least on any of our episodes.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But they are so vitally important, so you don't get screwed.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I almost signed away the rights to all of my music over 4th of July weekend.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Why do these holidays keep popping up?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, because it was what this guy did, which was very slick, was like, we got to get this done now.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We want to get all of this music out and we have to do it now, knowing full well that attorneys are all away that weekend, right?
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I had made a promise to my attorney, cause I had almost gotten screwed once, that I would never sign anything without him reviewing it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I'm so glad I didn't, cause they would have owned the rights to all of my music, that I've made such a great living life.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's a whole other story.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But it's really important that people have somebody that can read between the lines, you know?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Also like a union, but you don't have a union, right?
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, no.
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<v Nancy Magarill>There's no union.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, you can do SAG, no?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm SAG-AFTRO because it's a public TV.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Well, yeah, but not for clubs.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Comedians will never have a union because they will, you will never, because let's just say there's a show and they're going to, it's down the block.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, it's, let's say Jersey.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So let's say it's a, you know, if it's a show in Jersey and they're saying, they say to me, I know it's Jersey, but it's during the week, we'll give you 500 bucks.
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<v Carole Montgomery>There will be somebody right next to me going, I'll do it for 450.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Comedians will, I mean, I can say that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's the same thing with musicians.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, I mean, in Vegas.
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<v Nancy Magarill>They'll do it for free.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>In Vegas, there's a couple of comics working similar shows to what I do, used to do, for a third of what I make it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, wow.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>A third of what you make now, yeah, I mean, that's a huge amount of money.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right, but they're like, oh, but I'm in a show in Vegas.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm like, yeah, but you're ruining it for everybody else.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Exactly.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Comics don't think that way.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Comics are statistically some of the most selfish people in the world.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm not that way.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm like an idiot.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'm like the anti-comic, because I'm always like, let me give a gig to somebody.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Let me do this, because I don't have that in me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But for the most part, we've always done that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We've always cut off our nose to spite our face, always.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Is it being selfish or is it that people are, they're just want to get a, they want to just get a gig and do it no matter what.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I think it's the same thing with musicians and even actors.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's that we've been taught that you've got to promote yourself and you've got to get out there and do whatever.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So everybody sneezes you and then eventually you'll get, you know, get that pie in the sky job.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I think there's something that because artists are treated a certain way that we're like the clowns of the world, right?
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<v Nancy Magarill>That we just want to do it because we love it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And people take advantage of that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So it's almost understood that that's how you're just going to keep growing your audience.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So maybe it is a little bit of selfishness, but I think it's a certain, just a mindset that's infiltrated all of the arts to some extent.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh yeah, no, I mean, I could see that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I could see that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But I've never understood, you know, we're a community and we should protect each other.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But comics don't think that way because everybody, you know, because I teach stand up also and like, I will always tell young comics in my class, I'm always like, everybody thinks they're better than everybody else.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Everybody sits in the back of the room.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>They do?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh, when you're working?
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yes.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Okay.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I was like, what?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I've never thought I'm better than in any situation ever.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Really?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Even when I'm in a room full of five-year-olds, I'm like, these kids are so much smarter about world history than I am.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Well, that's a therapy session.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We can do that the next episode.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That's more than one.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But it's like every comic, I remember doing, we would watch whoever was on, because we were waiting to go on, you'd be like, oh, that guy sucks.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Right.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So comedy is a very strange business.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But when you see that one person that you just go, oh my God, we all do that, right?
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<v Nancy Magarill>I think every artist, when you're in a situation where you're all playing back to back, you're like, oh, I'm better, they suck or whatever.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then you see that person that you go, oh, I want to be that good.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Have you ever watched the Dana Carvey thing of the, I forgot, it was about his show where Steve Carell, Steve Colbert, all of them ended up doing it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It was like the show that got kicked off the air because it was-
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Jimmy Lick?
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<v Nancy Magarill>No, no.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I forgot.
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<v Carole Montgomery>No, I know what you're talking about.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I feel, yes.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's actually a really funny documentary about that show.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And one of the things that I think it was either Carell or Colbert, or one of them was doing a set and they were like, I'm the show.
00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:11.560
<v Nancy Magarill>It was Dana Carvey.
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<v Nancy Magarill>He's like, I'm the shit and he's feeling great.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then, but the guy that went on right before him was Robin Williams.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Like, oh my God, like how do you compete with that?
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<v Nancy Magarill>You know, there's always like, there's always somebody that inspires us and makes us go, oh, there's something better I can be doing, I think.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Then there's always someone maybe worse, you know.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>But you proved that that sense of community kind of, well, maybe this is the wrong way to lead into it.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I was gonna say, you've proved, you've proven with Funny Women of a Certain Age, that there are, there are differences in that community.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>But now, of course, I've opened the door to you going, no, you can still be a certain, a woman of a certain age and still sit in the back and go, this bitch, same old tired.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>How does it work?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Let's talk about that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>The one thing I love about that, my show is, is I still, I still watch and I still laugh.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I have a very distinct laugh.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I laugh like, I go, ha!
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, you can always tell.
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<v Carole Montgomery>People will be going, did the ship just come in?
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<v Carole Montgomery>What the hell was that?
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<v Carole Montgomery>And everyone knows me.
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<v Carole Montgomery>All the girls know me because they'll always hear me.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I know when you're in the room.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh yeah, you can even hear me on the special sometimes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You'll hear my laugh.
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<v Carole Montgomery>After I would do my set, I would go and watch the girls tape and you always hear me laughing.
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<v Carole Montgomery>When I still enjoy, I mean, I really, that's a different situation because we're all so close.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So we're at the point where like after the show or something, like one comic will say to me, hey, you know, if you did this, why don't you add this joke or add this word.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So we've got to that point because we all feel very secure in our careers right now that we can say, use this, use that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We'll sit around, we'll talk about the actual workings of a joke, which is so much fun.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But that, but that's a, you know, I kind of cultivated that, you know, I wanted it to be a very safe space for everybody.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, tell the listener what that is about your show.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's an all female comedy show, Funny Women of a Certain Age.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's all female comics.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Technically, it's for the television specials, it was always female comics over the age of 50.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But for the live show, I went, you know, you really in Hollywood, you're over the hill at 25.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So I opened it up for women over 40.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And I always say this, that when I first was doing this, there was about, I would say probably about 100 women that I could use and rotate over 50.
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<v Carole Montgomery>When you open it up to 40, it like quadruples it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>There's like at least four or 500 women in that age range.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's also fortunate that no one's gonna lie to you to be on your show.
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:50.160
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Now, I know that show.
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.780
<v Peter MIchael Marino>So you and I know each other.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I feel like we know each other from the indie theater world because I ran into you so many times at the Crane Theater downtown.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Okay.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Right.
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.260
<v Peter MIchael Marino>And then I discovered you as a comedian.
00:24:02.260 --> 00:24:04.020
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Then I started seeing you.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh, right.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>She's the one who's doing that thing at QED.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Or then I believe actually you were running Funny Women at the same time that I was running Show Up Kids, like seven years ago.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>We started.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's yes, because it was 2017 when I came up with it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>So yeah.
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:24.140
<v Carole Montgomery>So it's been eight years.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And when you came up with it was, I know it didn't start at the Crane, right?
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.980
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It started somewhere else.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then, yeah, what happened was is I came up with the idea and I was talking to a friend of mine who had a thing called the Cinderblock Comedy Festival.
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.820
<v Carole Montgomery>And she said, why don't you premiere the show here?
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<v Carole Montgomery>So we that show we premiered, it was in September of 2017.
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<v Carole Montgomery>It was Judy Gold, Jeanine Garofalo, myself, a couple of local comments.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And then as a joke, I was, I had a millennial host it like, you know, like so we could all bag on her and and somebody who was doing, you know, you know, when people do festivals, they volunteer and everything.
00:25:00.620 --> 00:25:04.420
<v Carole Montgomery>And this young lady was volunteering for and she says, I work at the crane.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I think my I think I think my boss, you know, Rez would like this.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And we went into the and we when we did a showcase and he said, OK, every month.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And that was for six years.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's great.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>And that was really different, too, because you're doing stand up comedy in a theater.
00:25:19.340 --> 00:25:19.820
<v Carole Montgomery>Yep.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is there is a different right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>There's a different vibe to that, right?
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.020
<v Carole Montgomery>Like I love being in theaters.
00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:28.220
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, that's what we do in the in the tour now.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, you're talking the difference about people sitting at tables and drinking and eating versus people sitting in a big difference.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I mean, again, going back to the kid show, but switching from doing it at a theater all this time to now doing it in comedy clubs, totally different vibe.
00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:42.040
<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, yeah.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, comedy clubs, you know, there's always the blender.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Ice machine.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You know, but I think people are focusing more just period.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>People are focusing more when they're in a theater seat.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Of course.
00:25:56.100 --> 00:25:56.460
<v Carole Montgomery>Of course.
00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:59.640
<v Nancy Magarill>Of course, because you have nothing else to do but watch a show.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>But I'm wondering if you were ever able to kind of, you know, tag like, oh, you know, this series of jokes works this way when I'm in a place that has tables and chairs and drinks, and it works different in the theater.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Like you can take more time with it.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Maybe there's more of like people in a theater, you know, they allow for more storytelling, if that makes sense or?
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:25.420
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, I mean, I could see that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, but you know, you got to understand, you're talking to somebody who's been doing stand up for over 40 years, so I've been in every horrible, horrible situation you can think of.
00:26:35.760 --> 00:26:37.940
<v Nancy Magarill>What's the worst situation that you've been in?
00:26:37.940 --> 00:26:39.820
<v Carole Montgomery>Oh.
00:26:39.820 --> 00:26:41.340
<v Nancy Magarill>Can you even remember?
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<v Carole Montgomery>When I was first starting out, I was doing some shitty club, and some guy heckled me, and I went after him, and he got up to start walking towards me, to hit me, and all of the guys...
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<v Carole Montgomery>This is one of the...
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<v Carole Montgomery>It's a very actually sweet thing, but all the male comics stood in front of the stage, and he couldn't get to me.
00:26:59.100 --> 00:27:00.160
<v Carole Montgomery>That's not wrong.
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:05.900
<v Carole Montgomery>Another time I was working in Quarterly in Idaho, where the John Birch Society is...
00:27:05.900 --> 00:27:10.180
<v Carole Montgomery>That's where they formed, and I was talking about the fact that this is Nazis...
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.340
<v Carole Montgomery>This is like 30 years ago.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Nazi Foreign Administration, by the way, folks.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Right.
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.520
<v Nancy Magarill>You're bringing it back.
00:27:16.520 --> 00:27:16.820
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
00:27:16.820 --> 00:27:17.760
<v Carole Montgomery>We're bringing it back.
00:27:18.280 --> 00:27:30.460
<v Carole Montgomery>So, I remember talking and railing on John Birch Society, and at the end of the show, the security guard said, now we have to take you back and walk you back to your room.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Because the club was in the hotel, and they were like, they had to make sure, and she said, do not open the door for anybody.
00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:37.020
<v Carole Montgomery>I'm like, okay.
00:27:37.020 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, my God.
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.140
<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, yeah, I could do an hour and dispose.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Well, how about now?
00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:49.620
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I mean, I've seen this happen with indie theater people, right?
00:27:49.620 --> 00:27:51.500
<v Peter MIchael Marino>There's a whole bunch of people, and I don't know, whatever.
00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:53.840
<v Peter MIchael Marino>There's an event, or there's just a lot of people.
00:27:53.840 --> 00:28:00.500
<v Peter MIchael Marino>And everyone involved assumes that everybody in the audience is on the right side of history.
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:01.160
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>You cannot take the temperature of the audience like that.
00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:08.080
<v Peter MIchael Marino>So do you have to be careful?
00:28:08.660 --> 00:28:10.320
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't even know how to ask this question.
00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:11.320
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Like, do you?
00:28:11.320 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't know.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Well, would you be?
00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:13.380
<v Peter MIchael Marino>You don't want to get punched.
00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:15.220
<v Peter MIchael Marino>You don't, I mean.
00:28:15.260 --> 00:28:21.060
<v Carole Montgomery>First of all, if somebody punched me now, I would be making millions of dollars because I would sue the shit out of them.
00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:24.500
<v Carole Montgomery>First I'd kill them, and then I would sue their estate.
00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:25.180
<v Carole Montgomery>Right.
00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:27.380
<v Carole Montgomery>You know, I've always been very lucky.
00:28:27.380 --> 00:28:33.260
<v Carole Montgomery>The way I handle, like, a lot of, like if you were interviewing other comics, they would have a totally different view on this.
00:28:33.260 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Carole Montgomery>For me, it's like, I do the same, you know, not that I do the same stuff, but I talk about sex, I do dick jokes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't worry about people going, oh my god, I'm offended.
00:28:41.560 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Carole Montgomery>You're offended?
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:43.060
<v Nancy Magarill>Leave.
00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:43.840
<v Nancy Magarill>Fucking leave.
00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:52.600
<v Carole Montgomery>There was a woman one time, I have a joke, okay, when I get on stage and I mentioned my age, people, you know, young people would go, oh my god, your skin is so beautiful.
00:28:52.600 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Carole Montgomery>What's the secret and the punchline is semen.
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:57.900
<v Carole Montgomery>So I always do that joke.
00:28:57.900 --> 00:29:10.260
<v Carole Montgomery>And then always sometimes, especially in comedy clubs, when I talk about age and if somebody says they're like, like there was this woman at a club and she was in her 80s and she raised her hand and I said, oh my god, you must be using the semen too.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And after the show, she came up to me and she said, I was very offended by what you said about me.
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Carole Montgomery>I said, well, then you should-
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Nancy Magarill>Why would you be offended?
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.740
<v Carole Montgomery>Right, right, but I said-
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.340
<v Nancy Magarill>First of all.
00:29:20.340 --> 00:29:21.760
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Wait, you said you should have left.
00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:23.180
<v Carole Montgomery>I said you should have fucking left then.
00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Carole Montgomery>And it is, you know, one to another time, I used to do a line when I was younger where I said, once you hit 40, you might as well kill yourself because it's over, right?
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<v Carole Montgomery>I swear to you, I tell you this, she comes up and goes, you know, my son killed himself at 40.
00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:41.980
<v Carole Montgomery>I said, well, like I did the joke to upset you.
00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:42.420
<v Nancy Magarill>Right.
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:44.700
<v Nancy Magarill>I knew that and so I planned it, right.
00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:45.260
<v Carole Montgomery>Come on.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, please.
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<v Carole Montgomery>But there are comics now that are worried because what's happened with the advent of social media and the internet is everybody has an opinion and everybody wants to get canceled and they all want to do it.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I don't care.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know, if you're going to say, I didn't like her dick joke, she's talking about semen.
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.220
<v Carole Montgomery>You know, semen has feelings too.
00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Carole Montgomery>I don't care.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, I think it's an interesting conversation about freedom of speech versus, maybe versus hate speech.
00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:13.320
<v Nancy Magarill>But even then, like this is the thing about our country.
00:30:13.320 --> 00:30:17.040
<v Nancy Magarill>I feel like everybody should be able to say what they want.
00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:18.860
<v Nancy Magarill>Actions are different, right?
00:30:18.860 --> 00:30:21.500
<v Nancy Magarill>Hurting someone and doing things that hurt people.
00:30:21.500 --> 00:30:27.600
<v Nancy Magarill>But if you're going to a comedy show, you got to know that they're going to say anything and you can be offended.
00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:28.240
<v Nancy Magarill>You know what?
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.100
<v Nancy Magarill>Be offended.
00:30:29.100 --> 00:30:30.120
<v Nancy Magarill>But who gives a fuck?
00:30:30.620 --> 00:30:32.800
<v Nancy Magarill>So you're offended.
00:30:32.800 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Nancy Magarill>It's okay to be offended.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's the thing that I think that it's like you don't cancel someone because they've said something.
00:30:39.580 --> 00:30:49.140
<v Nancy Magarill>Now, it's different with someone like Louis CK., who was actually masturbating in front of women and harassing women, other female comedians.
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:50.080
<v Nancy Magarill>That's different.
00:30:50.080 --> 00:30:50.780
<v Nancy Magarill>You know what?
00:30:50.780 --> 00:30:51.460
<v Nancy Magarill>Fuck him.
00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:53.060
<v Nancy Magarill>That's not freedom of speech.
00:30:53.060 --> 00:30:56.380
<v Nancy Magarill>He's actually assaulting and abusing somebody.
00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:59.560
<v Nancy Magarill>That's a very different, or maybe it's not assault, but you know what I mean.
00:30:59.800 --> 00:31:11.420
<v Carole Montgomery>But I'll tell you something about Louie, because he could have resolved, or I mean, like, as a comedian, what he should have done, like, when he went back, and I, I, I, no, believe me, I, I, I know a lot.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, I don't know Louie personally, what we know of each other, but when he went back and he, and there was that huge uproar that, that he just went back without ever saying anything, like he went back on stage.
00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:33.760
<v Carole Montgomery>All he had to do, and it's, is get on stage and say, you know, you know, I, I, he didn't have to apologize because that's not, you know, that's not a comedian's, a comedian should never have to apologize.
00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:41.900
<v Carole Montgomery>All he had to do is, because I really just want to take a moment and, and, and, and, and, and just, and then just start unzipping his pants as if he was going to take his dick out.
00:31:41.900 --> 00:31:44.940
<v Carole Montgomery>If he had done that, that would have been the funniest fucking thing in the world.
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:46.080
<v Carole Montgomery>Okay, that is.
00:31:46.080 --> 00:31:46.940
<v Carole Montgomery>But do you see what I'm saying?
00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Carole Montgomery>Like if he had made, he would have mocked him.
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:54.940
<v Carole Montgomery>What happened was is he was, he, he was trying to put it under the, like, like, like, I'm just going to go up and nothing ever happened.
00:31:54.940 --> 00:32:01.260
<v Carole Montgomery>But if he had done that, I just want to say one thing and then did that and acted like it, everyone would have laughed, the tension would have gone.
00:32:01.260 --> 00:32:04.780
<v Nancy Magarill>Although I don't think the women who would have, were assaulted by him would have laughed.
00:32:04.780 --> 00:32:05.660
<v Carole Montgomery>No, no, no, no, no.
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.380
<v Carole Montgomery>I absolutely, I absolutely agree on that.
00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:15.040
<v Carole Montgomery>But, but what I'm saying is a comedian, he was canceled and then he came back in a way that it was like, oh, that never happened.
00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:16.760
<v Carole Montgomery>He needed to address it right there.
00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:17.560
<v Carole Montgomery>You know, it's the same thing.
00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:22.660
<v Carole Montgomery>Like I, I really do believe comedians should not have to, what you're talking about is one thing, okay?
00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:24.360
<v Carole Montgomery>But comedians should never have to apologize.
00:32:24.360 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Carole Montgomery>Another thing was when Andrew Dice Clay went on and cried on Arsenio because he did something on SNL and he went and he apologized.
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Carole Montgomery>And once he apologized, he lost all of his, what's the word?
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:37.080
<v Nancy Magarill>Cred?
00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:38.120
<v Carole Montgomery>Cred.
00:32:38.120 --> 00:32:40.080
<v Carole Montgomery>You don't apologize for being a comedian.
00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:44.660
<v Carole Montgomery>If you don't like it, leave, you know, get your money back, you know?
00:32:44.660 --> 00:32:47.300
<v Nancy Magarill>And if people don't like it, they don't have to watch him.
00:32:47.300 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, I think that's the thing you're saying.
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:59.380
<v Nancy Magarill>It's like, it's one thing on the assault issue of, you know, of the consequences for his actions when he's hurting women or hurting anybody, and when anybody's hurting anyone.
00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:01.300
<v Nancy Magarill>And that's dealt outside the venue.
00:33:01.300 --> 00:33:04.580
<v Nancy Magarill>That's not something that when you're on stage, funny is funny.
00:33:04.580 --> 00:33:08.620
<v Nancy Magarill>If it's not funny to you, it's not funny to you regardless of who the audience is.
00:33:08.620 --> 00:33:09.340
<v Nancy Magarill>Wow, it's funny.
00:33:09.340 --> 00:33:11.340
<v Nancy Magarill>This is the first time I'm kind of getting that.
00:33:11.340 --> 00:33:12.820
<v Nancy Magarill>I'm really understanding that.
00:33:12.820 --> 00:33:13.780
<v Nancy Magarill>And I think you're right.
00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Nancy Magarill>And I think that's the thing.
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.280
<v Nancy Magarill>Comedians, it's, you know, it's freedom of expression.
00:33:19.280 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Nancy Magarill>And it doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
00:33:21.620 --> 00:33:23.420
<v Nancy Magarill>And it's almost like...
00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:33.060
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, anyway, I think it's an interesting point where we're at in society because we've got a bunch of fucking Nazis running the country that are actually inflicting harm upon people.
00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:34.600
<v Nancy Magarill>And I think that's different.
00:33:34.600 --> 00:33:41.580
<v Nancy Magarill>They can say whatever they want, but what they're doing and the hurt, the harm they're causing to people is what's wrong.
00:33:41.580 --> 00:33:42.060
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
00:33:42.060 --> 00:33:49.560
<v Carole Montgomery>But also getting back to Louis, I will tell you this, and I'm not condoning anything he's done, but we're really a bunch of weirdos.
00:33:49.560 --> 00:34:00.100
<v Carole Montgomery>Like I know that Sarah Silverman went on and some content was talking about like that he had exposed himself and she was like, and she laughed about it and it was done.
00:34:00.100 --> 00:34:01.280
<v Carole Montgomery>Comics are weirdos.
00:34:01.280 --> 00:34:12.140
<v Carole Montgomery>You know, not that he should not have done it, but he also was at that point, when you have people around you when you're that famous, they just tell you everything is okay.
00:34:12.140 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Carole Montgomery>And so the people that coddled him, if his management or his agency said, Louie, really, you know, this is going to get you in trouble.
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.900
<v Carole Montgomery>He goes, oh, but you know, he's doing it with other comics.
00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Carole Montgomery>But if they're nurturing him to do it, I'm not, like I said, I'm not condoning what he did, but I can see why he went, well, nobody's telling me I have to stop.
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, you know, and comics were, and the only reason, and this is a lot of male comics get mad at me, but in the old days, the only reason guys became comedians, why?
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.240
<v Carole Montgomery>Free alcohol and waitress pussy.
00:34:44.240 --> 00:34:44.620
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
00:34:44.620 --> 00:34:45.920
<v Carole Montgomery>That was the reasons for it.
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:46.180
<v Carole Montgomery>Okay.
00:34:46.180 --> 00:34:50.680
<v Carole Montgomery>And then you become famous, and women are throwing themselves.
00:34:50.680 --> 00:34:52.580
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It opens up the waitress pool.
00:34:52.580 --> 00:34:53.620
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's a much bigger pool.
00:34:53.620 --> 00:34:57.600
<v Nancy Magarill>But it's not just famous, and it's not just comedians.
00:34:57.600 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Nancy Magarill>Musicians, as a female who's been around a lot of male musicians, it's the same shit.
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.980
<v Nancy Magarill>Actors, it's a different world when you're in the arts.
00:35:07.020 --> 00:35:08.020
<v Nancy Magarill>It's that simple.
00:35:08.020 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Carole Montgomery>I remember when I was on the road all the time, like before the year, I always say there's before Lane, which is my son and after Lane.
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:23.780
<v Carole Montgomery>So before Lane, when I was on the road every week, and I'd hang out after the show and we'd have a drink with the people that work there.
00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:27.420
<v Carole Montgomery>Every single town, a waiter would say, and I really don't remember the comedian's name.
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:28.700
<v Carole Montgomery>She said, do you know so-and-so?
00:35:28.700 --> 00:35:30.820
<v Carole Montgomery>And I'm like, oh yeah, he's a good friend of mine.
00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:32.080
<v Carole Montgomery>He's my boyfriend.
00:35:32.220 --> 00:35:37.140
<v Carole Montgomery>And then the next man I would go into, do you know someone so, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:37.140 --> 00:35:40.020
<v Carole Montgomery>He's my boyfriend and he was married.
00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:41.340
<v Nancy Magarill>Of course.
00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:52.940
<v Carole Montgomery>So, you know, I mean, it's people in the arts, you know, there are people, I know some very famous musicians who are wonderful, caring, loving men to their wives and their family.
00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:55.660
<v Carole Montgomery>And then there are men that are like, how do you say no to that?
00:35:55.660 --> 00:35:58.380
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, like for me, I'm a huge Foo Fighter fan.
00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:01.500
<v Carole Montgomery>I was so upset that Dave Grohl ended up having an extra family.
00:36:01.660 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Carole Montgomery>You heard about that, right?
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:03.260
<v Carole Montgomery>No.
00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:04.720
<v Carole Montgomery>He ended up, yeah.
00:36:04.720 --> 00:36:06.720
<v Carole Montgomery>He has a whole little family.
00:36:06.720 --> 00:36:09.340
<v Carole Montgomery>And this is like one of the good guys.
00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:12.540
<v Carole Montgomery>I was like, oh no.
00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean-
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:17.160
<v Nancy Magarill>That's funny that you would have your bubble burst after all you've experienced.
00:36:17.160 --> 00:36:19.060
<v Nancy Magarill>You still had some ideals.
00:36:19.060 --> 00:36:20.340
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah, but no offense to you, Pete.
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Carole Montgomery>But men, let's be honest, if there's a hole in it, they're putting it in something.
00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:26.140
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Gay or straight.
00:36:26.140 --> 00:36:26.980
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Absolutely.
00:36:26.980 --> 00:36:27.240
<v Carole Montgomery>Exactly.
00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:28.220
<v Peter MIchael Marino>And you know what?
00:36:28.220 --> 00:36:30.060
<v Peter MIchael Marino>We can't help it, ladies, okay?
00:36:30.380 --> 00:36:33.340
<v Peter MIchael Marino>We cannot always help it, okay?
00:36:33.340 --> 00:36:34.580
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Wait, wait, wait, let me back it up.
00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Peter MIchael Marino>We can not act on it, but we can't help that when we see a hole.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.820
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It was a Dutch boy who put his finger in the hole in the dam, not a Dutch girl.
00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I literally just made that up.
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's terrible, but I'm also part Dutch.
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'm part Dutch.
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.520
<v Peter MIchael Marino>So why are you dissing my heritage, Nancy?
00:36:55.520 --> 00:36:56.680
<v Nancy Magarill>I'm sorry.
00:36:56.680 --> 00:36:57.660
<v Nancy Magarill>I apologize.
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.120
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't want to diss anything.
00:37:01.120 --> 00:37:01.660
<v Peter MIchael Marino>My God.
00:37:01.660 --> 00:37:03.460
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't want to diss anything right now.
00:37:03.460 --> 00:37:05.980
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'm just glad that Carole laughed at that joke.
00:37:05.980 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Carole, I freaking love you.
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:19.900
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I think you're, you know, what's interesting is that you have this great duality, I think, that like you're, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're shtick.
00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:21.120
<v Peter MIchael Marino>God, why am I saying shtick?
00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Well, why not?
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.940
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Let's just talk like it's the, we're in the Catskills.
00:37:28.240 --> 00:37:32.780
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Is this kind of like, it comes out of a place of like complaining, right?
00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:35.020
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's like a lot of like this complaining observation.
00:37:35.020 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I think that's fair enough to say that's, that's part of your style.
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:46.900
<v Peter MIchael Marino>But yet you do get, and then people will get this from listening to this, and something I've always seen in you, that you have this huge generosity.
00:37:46.900 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Like you have this, you know, you can't even put it into words.
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.860
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's just something that surrounds you that like, people feel safe when they're watching you.
00:37:54.860 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Peter MIchael Marino>So they know whatever you're saying is just because it's comedy.
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.740
<v Nancy Magarill>And you have an openness to you.
00:38:00.740 --> 00:38:10.660
<v Nancy Magarill>I've never met you before, but the second you came on the screen to talk to us, there was just a warmth, and there was just a thing that I almost felt like, oh, I know, you know what I mean?
00:38:10.660 --> 00:38:14.160
<v Nancy Magarill>Like, I felt like I can, and that's not that, I don't feel that way with everybody.
00:38:14.160 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't know when we do these episodes.
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.060
<v Nancy Magarill>And I'm fucking suffering from vertigo right now, right?
00:38:19.160 --> 00:38:23.240
<v Nancy Magarill>I was worried that I wasn't going to be, you know, how I was going to be today.
00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Nancy Magarill>And you immediately just was like, it was this warmth, and it's interesting.
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:27.340
<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, thank you.
00:38:27.340 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Nancy Magarill>Plus, I want to say something.
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.520
<v Nancy Magarill>You have such a great voice.
00:38:30.520 --> 00:38:32.640
<v Nancy Magarill>Do you do voiceover work at all?
00:38:32.640 --> 00:38:33.580
<v Carole Montgomery>I do not.
00:38:35.220 --> 00:38:36.680
<v Carole Montgomery>I've been told that.
00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Carole Montgomery>But once again, like we said at the beginning of the show, I just don't have, I don't, that's a whole other, that's a whole other job.
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Nancy Magarill>Yes.
00:38:44.500 --> 00:38:45.140
<v Carole Montgomery>Do voiceover.
00:38:45.140 --> 00:38:45.720
<v Carole Montgomery>I would love to.
00:38:45.720 --> 00:38:56.200
<v Carole Montgomery>I think I don't have many, many things left that I would like to do career wise on my bucket list is, that would be one like to avoid, like either be a voice on the Sim Sim.
00:38:56.200 --> 00:38:56.740
<v Carole Montgomery>Yeah.
00:38:56.740 --> 00:38:57.500
<v Carole Montgomery>Like a cartoon.
00:38:57.500 --> 00:38:58.980
<v Carole Montgomery>I would love to do a cartoon.
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:00.460
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
00:39:00.460 --> 00:39:07.100
<v Carole Montgomery>You know, and I still, my number one bucket list is, it used to be that when I was young and cute, I wanted to be the star of a sitcom.
00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Carole Montgomery>Now all I want to do is I want to, I basically want to be.
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.700
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Audra Lindley in Three Skull Feet?
00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:16.300
<v Carole Montgomery>No, Sophia.
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.080
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh, Sophia.
00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:17.540
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh yeah.
00:39:17.540 --> 00:39:18.520
<v Nancy Magarill>Okay.
00:39:18.520 --> 00:39:21.600
<v Carole Montgomery>I want to be the wacky, Sophia from the Golden Girls.
00:39:21.600 --> 00:39:23.660
<v Nancy Magarill>She's the mother of the mother.
00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:28.080
<v Carole Montgomery>I would like to, and I've never done, I've actually never done a sitcom.
00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:32.180
<v Carole Montgomery>I would like to, I want to be that woman that opens up the door and says something funny.
00:39:32.180 --> 00:39:35.040
<v Carole Montgomery>And everyone's like, then I close the door and I walk out.
00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:36.680
<v Carole Montgomery>That's all I want.
00:39:36.680 --> 00:39:38.220
<v Carole Montgomery>I don't really have much left.
00:39:38.700 --> 00:39:42.940
<v Carole Montgomery>I have, no, really, that's, I used to, I'm a sitcom baby to begin with.
00:39:42.940 --> 00:39:45.340
<v Carole Montgomery>Like, I love, I love sitcoms.
00:39:45.340 --> 00:39:55.560
<v Carole Montgomery>I, you know, I mean, when during the pandemic, we watched the full seasons, we watched All Mary, Tyler Moore, then we went to the Bob Newhart Show.
00:39:55.560 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, like, I watched it, you know, I love sitcoms.
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:05.680
<v Carole Montgomery>So that's like one of my things that I'm like, I'll get, you know, I just want to do, I just want to do something wacky.
00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.120
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I just thought of a good thing for you to do.
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.180
<v Nancy Magarill>Here's me, this is the end of every episode now.
00:40:11.180 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's not every, but there was one recently.
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:22.160
<v Peter MIchael Marino>And I actually told, I told Ben Modell, I said, oh, by the way, you, I've decided that you and Bill Bowers need to create a silent show together.
00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:24.120
<v Peter MIchael Marino>He goes, you know, we've been talking about that.
00:40:24.120 --> 00:40:25.780
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I said, recently.
00:40:25.780 --> 00:40:26.940
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah, so your thing is this.
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:30.200
<v Nancy Magarill>And then you also told Danielle, she has to do her head of Gabler thing.
00:40:30.200 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh yeah, Danielle should narrate Head of Gabler, because she's not going to do it on stage.
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.100
<v Peter MIchael Marino>She should narrate it for a book.
00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:37.820
<v Peter MIchael Marino>She said that, I didn't say that.
00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:49.820
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Carole, your assignment is to do, take some sitcom that you love and do it live on stage, and just put comedians in it.
00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:53.380
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Like better than what they did with the Jeffersons.
00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:54.660
<v Peter MIchael Marino>That was not great.
00:40:54.660 --> 00:40:55.820
<v Carole Montgomery>That's a great idea.
00:40:55.820 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Peter MIchael Marino>The one before it was good with All in the Family.
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.780
<v Peter MIchael Marino>The gays do the Golden Girls.
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.160
<v Peter MIchael Marino>So tread lightly.
00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Peter MIchael Marino>You might not want to go to that one, but I feel like get the girls together, get all girls and just do whatever sitcom you want and have all the girls.
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's Shakespeare reversed.
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, I love that idea.
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Guys, I'm done here.
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.460
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'm done here.
00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:21.660
<v Peter MIchael Marino>You know where PayPal me the, uh, my residuals.
00:41:21.660 --> 00:41:22.900
<v Carole Montgomery>You're not getting a dime.
00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:25.640
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Okay.
00:41:25.640 --> 00:41:26.540
<v Nancy Magarill>But you can do the press on it.
00:41:26.540 --> 00:41:27.500
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Nothing has changed.
00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Nothing has changed.
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:29.620
<v Carole Montgomery>I will do a hard show, thanks.
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.860
<v Carole Montgomery>And I'd like to thank Peter Michael Marino for helping us come up with this idea.
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Carole Montgomery>I'm not paying him.
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.060
<v Carole Montgomery>That is a great idea.
00:41:38.060 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Don't worry, Carole.
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.560
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't watch awards shows, so I will never see that.
00:41:41.560 --> 00:41:42.640
<v Carole Montgomery>I will tell you that.
00:41:42.640 --> 00:41:46.260
<v Carole Montgomery>I mean, it's funny that you meant, I keep going back to the Goldbergs.
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Carole Montgomery>They were talking about a reboot, but really me, Leanne Lord, Julia Scottie, the three of us were on the road all the time.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:54.940
<v Carole Montgomery>That's a sitcom.
00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:56.820
<v Nancy Magarill>That's the one to write.
00:41:56.820 --> 00:41:57.940
<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yeah.
00:41:57.940 --> 00:41:59.940
<v Peter MIchael Marino>I figured out what the sitcom is too.
00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:02.160
<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's the Beverly Hillbillies and You Play Grandma.
00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:05.940
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my god, that would be hilarious.
00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:07.180
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my god, that would be hilarious.
00:42:07.180 --> 00:42:11.500
<v Peter MIchael Marino>The actress who played that part was only 50 years old when she did it, Irene Ryan.
00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:12.620
<v Carole Montgomery>Irene Ryan.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Yes.
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<v Carole Montgomery>And you know what else Irene Ryan was in, right?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>What?
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<v Carole Montgomery>You don't know?
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I don't.
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<v Carole Montgomery>She, after the Beverly Hills, she was in Pippin.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Oh, of course.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then, of course, there's the Irene.
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<v Carole Montgomery>You know, the great song It's Time to Start Living, that's her.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I've always wanted to sing that.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I've always wanted to be in Pippin.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Oh my god.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>That is grandma from the, that show, you should watch it.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It is brilliantly structured.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's really, really good.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I love that idea.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>It's legit.
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<v Carole Montgomery>Okay.
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<v Carole Montgomery>I'll have to.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I can't wait for opening night.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'll pay.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'll pay.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'll pay, Carole.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>I'll pay.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Hey, thanks for checking us out.
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<v Peter MIchael Marino>Links to today's guests can be found in the show notes.
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