Jason Kravits - actor, singer, Disney's Sneezy in Snow White

Jason Kravits is an actor, singer, improvisor, and viral video creator who's worked regularly in film, television, and on Broadway.His voice can currently be heard as Sneezy in Disney’s live-action hit, "Snow White." On this episode we get into Jason’s audition process and sniffling varieties, his adoration of vaudeville, and how changes in technology have affected viewership.

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Jason has been fortunate enough to appear on stages and screens, large and small, for over 35 years. Recent TV credits include Only Murders in the Building (as Melissa McCarthy’s husband, “Big Mike”) Halston, The Undoing, Dr. Death and Young Sheldon. Other favorite appearances include Curb Your Enthusiasm, 30 Rock, Kimmy Schmidt, Gilmore Girls, Everybody Loves Raymond, The Practice and the final episode of Friends. His voice can be heard as “Sneezy” in the current live-action remake of Disney’s Snow White. On Broadway, Jason has appeared in The Drowsy Chaperone, Sly Fox and Relatively Speaking. Off-Broadway, Jason appeared in the New Group’s adapation of the Philip Roth novel Sabbath’s Theater (alongside John Turturro and Elizabeth Marvel). For the last 10 years, Jason has been performing his solo, completely improvised cabaret, OFF THE TOP (winner of a 2017 Bistro Award) - playing to sold out crowds in London, Adelaide, Melbourne, Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Washington D.C. and Los Angeles - and can be seen regularly in New York City at venues like Joe's Pub and Birdland. Jason is a native of the D.C. area, where he performed extensively at the Shakespeare Theatre, Round House Theatre and Woolly Mammoth Theatre Co. He is a member of the Actors Center Workshop Company.

Tickets to July 2025 show @ Joe's Pub: https://bit.ly/OffTheTopJuly10

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Produced and Edited by Arts and Craft.
Theme Music: Sound Gallery by Dmitry Taras.

Transcript

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<v Jason Kravits>Tap dancing, ukuleles, you know, I play the saw, I literally play the musical saw.

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<v Jason Kravits>So it's like literally anything that was popular, popular in Vaudeville seems to be where my heart goes.

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<v Jason Kravits>Strangely enough, I don't know why.

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<v Jason Kravits>I have two accordions that I don't know how to play, but I feel like they should be a part of my shtick.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He's a character actor who has worked regularly in film, television and on Broadway.

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<v Nancy Magarill>He is currently one of Disney's dwarfs in the recently released Snow White.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Jason Kravits gets Sneezy with us on today's episode.

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<v Nancy Magarill>My name is Nancy Magarill.

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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm a singer, songwriter, composer, performer, graphic and web designer.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And I'm Peter Michael Marino and I'm a writer, producer, creator, performer and educator.

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<v Nancy Magarill>We are New York based artists you may or may not have heard of.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And we are here to introduce you to other artists you may or may not have heard of.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Jason Kravits is very hot right now, everybody.

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<v Nancy Magarill>He's been hot for a little while.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He's a movie star.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He goes in and out of hot like every artist in and out of hot.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And Jason does not like going in and out of hot, but when he's in and he's hot, it's a good thing.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Jason, you got Snow freaking White.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>You're playing one of the dwarfs.

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<v Nancy Magarill>This is crazy, right?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, yeah, I'm playing Sneezy.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>How did this happen?

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<v Jason Kravits>Well, it was a basic audition, except this one's a little bit different in that instead of giving us a script to read, they just said do a one minute long monologue as Sneezy.

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<v Jason Kravits>So at first, of course, I was like, what?

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<v Jason Kravits>Come on.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Improvise one?

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<v Jason Kravits>Not improvise, but write one, write one and do it.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, write one.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, write something and do it.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Jesus Christ.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I was like, well, that's not fair.

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<v Jason Kravits>That's, you know, give me something to do.

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<v Jason Kravits>I wouldn't, I don't want to do your homework for you.

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<v Jason Kravits>But then it really ultimately gave me the opportunity to do something that I really could make special.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I did a, as if Sneezy was being interviewed about what, why he was called Sneezy.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I did a lot of editing.

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<v Jason Kravits>So it was just a lot of quick cuts.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I was answering an interviewer's questions who you never hear.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I was able to do stuff like accidentally sneeze and then cut to, you know, we put a glass lid on the frame and sprayed it with water as if I cleaned off.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Of course you did.

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<v Jason Kravits>You know, you just pick everything you can.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then I just kind of said, you know, all these different things about, you know, I know people might make fun of my voice and my consistent allergenic qualities, but the truth is I'm happy.

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<v Jason Kravits>Well, I'm not happy.

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<v Jason Kravits>He's happy.

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<v Jason Kravits>I'm just, you know, and then just like that.

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<v Nancy Magarill>How's your Sneezy sneeze?

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<v Jason Kravits>Which one?

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<v Jason Kravits>I've learned that there are many.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Did you just spend hours just sneezing over and over in the booth?

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<v Jason Kravits>I just, yes, absolutely.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>Absolutely.

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<v Jason Kravits>A lot of sneezes.

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<v Jason Kravits>But I would do it.

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<v Jason Kravits>There were some that were in the script because that was part of the character and part of the plot at some points, the sneezes.

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<v Jason Kravits>And so there were big sneezes and there were small sneezes and the typical.

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<v Jason Kravits>I mean, I give a lot of homage to Billy Gilbert, who was the original Sneezy.

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<v Jason Kravits>And he had a whole sneezing vaudevillian routine with the whole, how did you get it?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>You mean milking it?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Jason, how did you learn how to milk a bit?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>How did you learn?

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<v Jason Kravits>And what I, it's not like me.

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<v Jason Kravits>I know.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then what I learned was you could also throw in sneezes wherever you wanted to.

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<v Jason Kravits>So in the middle of a line, I would just kind of like sneeze.

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<v Jason Kravits>Oh, I love that.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I had all levels of sneezes.

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<v Nancy Magarill>How fun.

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<v Jason Kravits>It became fun to see where I could fit them in.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I love that you turned this grumpy kind of response to like, I got to audition and I have to.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Actually, this is pretty good grumpy audition.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>If you're making a sequel and the first guy's not available.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>Peter Michael Marino is.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Right?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He's a natural grumpy, trust me.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>That you went into it like, I got to do this whole thing.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>You know what?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm going to freaking do this whole thing.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And then you got the part.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, that was kind of the juicy part.

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<v Jason Kravits>I'm not somebody who can...

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<v Jason Kravits>I don't like sending anything in that's kind of half-assed.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that's a curse, you know, as well, just because it just means you have to put a lot more work into your auditions.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Which also raises your expectations.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then of course, you don't get most of them because this is a Nature of the Beast and you spent hours working on these things and setting it up right and getting the lighting right, making sure you're off book.

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<v Jason Kravits>But you know, I can't, that's just, I have friends who just, I just did it a couple of times.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I'm like, I don't know how you do that.

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<v Jason Kravits>Wow.

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<v Jason Kravits>You have to go all out.

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<v Jason Kravits>I wasn't going to send anything half-assed.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Did you have to do this one on camera?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, that's so interesting.

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<v Nancy Magarill>But it wasn't at all voice work?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, yeah, it was all voice work.

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<v Jason Kravits>I mean, we did have CGI dots on our faces and these kind of industrial cameras on our heads that pointed to our faces this far away that we had to wear the entire time we were doing it.

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<v Jason Kravits>So they wanted to use our facial movements, although it's hard to tell for me whether or not they actually used my face, but my mom says she recognized me.

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<v Nancy Magarill>I bet they used parts of it.

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<v Nancy Magarill>They probably used parts of your eyes, parts of your cheeks, parts of your mouth.

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<v Jason Kravits>I mean, I think Disney owns my entire face and voice right now.

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<v Jason Kravits>You know, they could do anything they wanted with it.

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<v Jason Kravits>And luckily so far, knock wood, they have not.

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<v Jason Kravits>They've called me in when we were doing ADR for this, for, you know, for years after we had shot it.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Tell us what ADR is.

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<v Jason Kravits>ADR is just picking up vocal tracks after the fact.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I would come in and they say, we need to have you respond in this scene where we added a line.

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<v Jason Kravits>We want you to add that in and just follow it on the, they'll show you the video of the movie and you just have to like pick out where you have to add the line.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Is it the thing where they do the beeps?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Is there like a sense of beeps?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, there'll be like a three, two, one, and then you talk.

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<v Jason Kravits>And sometimes you're trying to match your voice or sometimes you're matching somebody else's voice.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Or shape, right?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, and sometimes it's literally, they said, we just need presence.

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<v Nancy Magarill>I was like, what?

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<v Nancy Magarill>What does that mean?

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<v Jason Kravits>Presence means just stand there and breathe.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, interesting.

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<v Jason Kravits>Or then we need to just do it.

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<v Jason Kravits>Literally, I went in one day last year.

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<v Jason Kravits>Sometimes it's a two hour session with like screaming and jumping around and making what they call efforts, which are what you'd imagine efforts are.

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<v Jason Kravits>You know, whatever.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Come on, Nancy, where's your effort?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Where's your effort?

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<v Jason Kravits>There you go.

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<v Jason Kravits>That's a good effort.

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<v Nancy Magarill>How's that for effort?

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<v Jason Kravits>There was one.

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<v Jason Kravits>There's a big food fight scene in the movie.

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<v Jason Kravits>And at one point I get a piece of bread shoved into my mouth, and then pepper gets into my nose and I have to sneeze it out.

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<v Jason Kravits>And of course, it's a giant plugged mouth and I have to spit everything out.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that was all efforts that I had to do after the fact.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then there's things like we just need you to see something and go, we just need you to see this thing and go, oh, that's it, that's your day, that's your day, thanks for coming in.

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<v Jason Kravits>So, it was a real variety.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And you know, especially at a time where, I mean, I don't know how you're doing in the voiceover world.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Okay, thank you, Jason just looked out the window.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, so you know, that's really how we got to know each other, was sitting in waiting rooms, just voices and all these other places for years on end, never thinking it's a competition.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, maybe you did, I never, I don't think you did, right?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>We just loved hanging out with each other, just go from one place to another and da, da, da, da, da.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And now, and now meaning the past at least 10 years, that we don't have that experience, we don't have that opportunity, we don't have even the chance for that opportunity, non-union stuff, celebrity stuff, the same person.

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<v Jason Kravits>Home recording, home studio recording, and as opposed to going into waiting rooms or going to casting offices, I miss it.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Were you guys up for the same gigs?

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<v Jason Kravits>Sometimes.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, sure, you know, a funny husband, you know, weird bird.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, I guess.

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<v Jason Kravits>There's a lot of weird, yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>They would always call me in for parrots.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I was gonna say, did you have to go in to replace Gilbert Godfrey at some point?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I think I did.

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<v Jason Kravits>I think I did.

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<v Jason Kravits>I've had that audition, but there was literally, there were parrots, you know, they wanted that, you know, the parrot that was doing, repeating things.

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<v Jason Kravits>And there were like two guys that could really do a good parrot.

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<v Jason Kravits>And it wasn't me.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I'm like, I'm going to, okay, I'll go, but I know who's getting this part.

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<v Jason Kravits>There are people who specialize in parrot.

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<v Nancy Magarill>But you know, it's like what Bill Timoney says, is that, you know, just going in and meeting them, there's always something right for you.

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<v Nancy Magarill>And the more you come in, you know, and it just means they like you and they're looking to get something for you.

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<v Jason Kravits>Happy to be there.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Professional actor that Bill Timoney is professional.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He is a professional actor.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Do you know Bill?

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<v Jason Kravits>No, I don't know Bill.

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<v Jason Kravits>Maybe I know Bill.

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<v Jason Kravits>Probably know Bill.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>You know Bill.

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<v Jason Kravits>From The Waiting Rooms.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, that was the other thing was when, to be honest, when we were doing voiceovers, it was really, it wasn't people from, you often did not see people from TV and movies at the auditions, right?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>This is true.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Maybe Matthew Labroteau from Little House on the Bear.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Maybe Steve from Blue's Clues.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Maybe that's who we'd see.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>That was about it.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>But then sometimes there'd be a hot Broadway show, and suddenly there'd be Doug Sills at your audition.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He'd never been to one before in his life.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I don't know why I just brought that up.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then when I was first doing it, which I think was probably after you first turned to us, mid-90s when I was doing it, at first, and you'd go into waiting rooms with people from old TV and movies, like Arnold Stang was always there.

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<v Jason Kravits>And there was just always somebody.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Like actual people who do and announcer things.

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<v Jason Kravits>Right.

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<v Jason Kravits>Or Larry Storch from F-Troop, if anybody remembers that.

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<v Jason Kravits>But there was all these voices and people.

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<v Jason Kravits>You're like, oh, I know these people.

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<v Jason Kravits>I know who that is.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that was always exciting for me.

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<v Jason Kravits>I loved that.

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<v Nancy Magarill>So how did you get into voiceover work?

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<v Nancy Magarill>Did you start as a theater actor?

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<v Nancy Magarill>Or what is your trajectory?

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<v Jason Kravits>Let me tell you the story of Jason Kravits.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>We have a short podcast.

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<v Nancy Magarill>You have a voice, so it makes sense that you're doing voiceover.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Both of you have a very, very resonant voice.

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<v Jason Kravits>I didn't have much of an extensive voiceover career, actually.

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<v Jason Kravits>Not compared to a lot of people from our generation of doing voiceovers.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was here and there.

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<v Jason Kravits>I did some local commercial type stuff.

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<v Jason Kravits>Very few, like ones you'd see on television and things like that.

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<v Jason Kravits>That wasn't where I made my voiceover career.

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<v Jason Kravits>I did a lot of on-camera commercial.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>But when I grew up, I grew up in Maryland, as I know you did as well.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was in Rockville.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then I went to University of Maryland and got out of Maryland and stayed in DC for six years.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I was able to get all my union cards there.

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<v Jason Kravits>I mean, there's plenty of equity theaters, so that was easy.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then there were, because we were by the government, there were a lot of industrial films, meaning internal business-y type of film.

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<v Jason Kravits>So there were, you know, anybody was doing business with the government was down there.

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<v Jason Kravits>So there were telephone companies and there were auto-safety companies and they were all based, they had an office there, and they would do internal stuff and we would be part of that, and that paid union rates and was under union contracts.

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<v Nancy Magarill>So you trained a lot of the people that now have been fired.

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<v Jason Kravits>Sadly, yeah.

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<v Nancy Magarill>I don't mean to make a joke of that, because it's not funny.

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<v Jason Kravits>No, it's just horrible.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I actually have a lot of friends who still work down there and work at the Kennedy Center and who are just, it's a desperate situation.

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<v Jason Kravits>But yeah, so I was there for six years after college doing a lot of things.

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<v Jason Kravits>And a friend of mine said, You should go to New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I said, why?

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<v Jason Kravits>I'm just busy.

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<v Jason Kravits>I'm having a great time.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh my gosh.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>It was like a totally foreign idea.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was like, Why would I do that?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm such a New Yorker.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm such a New Yorker.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm like, jeez.

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<v Jason Kravits>My brother moved up here and he was like, you know, he and his wife had moved up and I had visited them.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And he's also an actor.

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<v Jason Kravits>He isn't as well.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I was like, Well, I guess I should try this.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I came up to test the waters and then was like, Okay, I'm going to do this.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that was 28.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I had done a show in Washington, DC with some actors from New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>And when I moved up, I said, Would you introduce me to anybody?

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<v Jason Kravits>Really?

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<v Jason Kravits>And they introduced me.

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<v Jason Kravits>They only introduced me to not a legit agent, not doing television and film and theater.

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<v Jason Kravits>It was commercial.

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<v Jason Kravits>I auditioned.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I walked in the door to this was called CED.

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<v Jason Kravits>And now Peter and I met there actually.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then they're now called CESD.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I don't think Peter and I are with them anymore either.

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<v Jason Kravits>No, but yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I walked in the door.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I was very graciously let go.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Very graciously.

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<v Jason Kravits>I walked in that door and they were like, we want to work with you.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I was like, that's awesome.

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<v Jason Kravits>That's cool.

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<v Jason Kravits>So I started doing commercials first.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I remember my first commercial audition through them.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>What?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes, because they were like, go to this office.

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<v Jason Kravits>It was an office of a casting director named Jerry Beaver.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Sure.

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<v Jason Kravits>Right on Park Avenue.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Park Avenue.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>I walked into his office and for this audition, and I saw the weirdest collection of people.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was like, that guy is 350 pounds, and this guy's got crazy red hair coming out sideways, and that guy's got a huge, wait a minute, what am I doing here?

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<v Jason Kravits>So I found my people.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>You saw the other dwarves, basically.

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<v Jason Kravits>Oh, I guess this is what it means to be quirky.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, right.

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<v Jason Kravits>And those people all became my friends over the years.

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<v Jason Kravits>Oh, that's so wonderful.

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<v Jason Kravits>You were doing, on camera, you were also auditioning for VoiceOver, and that's when you were sitting in rooms with lots of different people and joking around and making friends and learning about people.

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<v Jason Kravits>It was a really amazing time to be a young actor in New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>But that's, you know, and then I was doing that for four years without getting any kind of representation for theater and film.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>My jaw is literally hanging open.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I just always thought, you're just a legend to me.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>So I just thought like, yeah, Jason just arrived.

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<v Jason Kravits>You know, he just arrived.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>He arrived already.

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<v Jason Kravits>On a cloud of Kleenex.

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<v Nancy Magarill>But it sounds like you were working at least.

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<v Jason Kravits>It took a while.

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<v Jason Kravits>It took a long time.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>What were you doing when you weren't working?

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<v Jason Kravits>Well, when I wasn't working, I had met a friend from the DC area who had moved up and he was working with some other actors on pieces of one-person shows, like ten-minute snippets every week.

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<v Jason Kravits>They were challenging each other to bring in snippets of character-based scripted material.

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<v Jason Kravits>And it was called A Rumble in the Red Room.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, of course.

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<v Jason Kravits>And a group of people were doing that.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I went to see it and I was like, I have to be involved with this.

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<v Jason Kravits>I'll bring in stuff next week.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And they were like, that'd be great.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>42nd Street, right?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And Dyer Avenue?

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<v Jason Kravits>Well, at first it was on 39th and 9th, but we're 37th and 9th at a place called the Market Cafe.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then...

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, God, I remember the Market Cafe.

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<v Jason Kravits>You remember the Market Cafe?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes, great.

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<v Jason Kravits>Love that place.

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<v Jason Kravits>The rest of the area was so sketchy.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>It was basically the Lincoln Tunnel entrance.

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<v Nancy Magarill>It was.

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<v Jason Kravits>It is.

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<v Nancy Magarill>It still is.

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<v Jason Kravits>It still is, except more condos.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then I moved...

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<v Jason Kravits>We moved up to 42nd and Dyer Avenue with Pulse Theatres.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then, so we did that for like four years, developing material and writing our own material, which was so great to be able to do.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>What were you doing for a living?

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<v Jason Kravits>I had saved up some money from DC., which was helpful.

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<v Jason Kravits>And by the time that started to run out, I started booking some television commercials here and there, and little things to keep me going.

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<v Jason Kravits>Plus, you know, I was living in a $600 a month studio apartment with no, you know, car, no family.

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<v Jason Kravits>I didn't have anything to worry about except for making that rent.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I had a little money set aside from my time in DC., from all my industrial films.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Did you do a lot of industrials also around that time?

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<v Jason Kravits>Not really here, not in New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was going back down and doing them in DC.

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<v Jason Kravits>Still, actually, I was still making money that way, going down and working for companies like MCI.

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<v Jason Kravits>Anybody remembers MCI?

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<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, right.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm sure Melinda Buckley also did an MCI.

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<v Jason Kravits>But I was working with Carole Nadel, who was casting a lot of, you know, that's right, industrial.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yes, she was.

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<v Jason Kravits>I traveled around the country pitching Canon printers at one point, you know, for about two months.

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<v Jason Kravits>So there were always little jobs to pick up.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then a buddy of mine and I had written a lot of stuff for the Red Room together.

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<v Jason Kravits>So we made our own show out of it.

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<v Jason Kravits>And we did the show a few times trying to get an agent.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's when you were first time producing.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes, first time producing at the Producers Club.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's why you do it.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then at other places.

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<v Jason Kravits>And eventually we said, you know, let's just, our friends in LA haven't seen our material.

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<v Jason Kravits>Let's go out there for, I don't know, three shows.

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<v Jason Kravits>We found a space by word of mouth.

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<v Jason Kravits>We never saw it.

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<v Jason Kravits>It was upstairs behind the famous Improv.

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<v Jason Kravits>We went up there and we did the show and we got one agent that I knew out there and a manager to come see the show.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they invited.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And that was back when you had to actually like talk on the phone.

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<v Jason Kravits>Yes, you had to talk to a show.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they invited, well, I had also invited, this is another fun story.

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<v Jason Kravits>I invited a friend of a friend and she worked at Carsey-Werner Production.

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<v Jason Kravits>She was just literally a secretary at Carsey-Werner.

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<v Jason Kravits>She'd been there for years working for the head of development.

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<v Jason Kravits>But this agent and this manager started calling other people going, you know, Carsey-Werner Development is coming to the show.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they started going, wait a minute.

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<v Jason Kravits>So we got this casting director, a couple of people to come to the show that we're casting.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they said to us, this is the 98, the fall of 98.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they said, we are putting together to the roster for this coming year's Aspen Comedy Festival.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>And that was the thing to do, that was the thing to do.

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<v Jason Kravits>They said, it just so happens everybody is in town right now from around the country because we're making our final choices.

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<v Jason Kravits>We have to be at the improv on Saturday at 7 o'clock.

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<v Jason Kravits>If you can do your show, an hour long version of your show at 530, we'll bring everybody.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my God, that's so wonderful.

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<v Jason Kravits>We got all our friends to come, they came to the show and like within 24 hours, we were being invited to the Aspen Comedy Festival.

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<v Jason Kravits>Wow.

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<v Jason Kravits>We're performing for like the cast of SCTV, every development executive in Hollywood, in Bernie Brillstein and it was insane.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Isn't that crazy like boom, for nothing to boom.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Were you thinking at that time, this is it, here we go.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>This is what I've been waiting for, this is it.

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<v Jason Kravits>Except I didn't know what the heck I was doing and neither did these agents that we were with.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Nobody knew what it was.

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<v Jason Kravits>So we were like, we got back to LA, we had just been visiting, we were just like, okay guys, we'll go out there for a little bit.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they said, well, you're going to have meetings, you can have meetings with every network.

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<v Jason Kravits>We went out, we had meetings.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Before email, how did this happen?

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<v Jason Kravits>We called it the couch and water tour because we would sit on the couch and they'd offer us a water.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that's what we would do.

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<v Jason Kravits>They would all say the same thing to us.

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<v Jason Kravits>We asked our agents, what do we need to do?

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<v Jason Kravits>They said, just be yourselves.

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<v Jason Kravits>And we're like, okay.

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<v Jason Kravits>But just the wrong answer.

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<v Jason Kravits>Because when we sat on the couch, they'd go, what do you want to do?

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<v Jason Kravits>What is it you want to do?

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<v Jason Kravits>And we would say, what they wanted to hear was, oh, okay, he's the dumb guy.

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<v Jason Kravits>I'm the smart guy.

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<v Jason Kravits>We go back to college.

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<v Jason Kravits>Here's the script and they'll tear it apart and they'll bring us in and work with somebody else.

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<v Jason Kravits>But, you know, to help us out to make something.

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<v Jason Kravits>But we were like, whatever you want us to do.

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<v Jason Kravits>What you got?

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<v Peter Michael Marino>No, no, bye.

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<v Jason Kravits>That wave, that great wave crested and collapsed.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then we were backpedaling, just going, what do we do?

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<v Jason Kravits>How do we salvage this?

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<v Jason Kravits>But everybody was kind of done with us at that point.

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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my God.

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<v Jason Kravits>We couldn't even, we had offers of changing agents to hire to bigger agencies and management companies.

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<v Jason Kravits>And we were like, no, no, we're loyal to these people because they got us here.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then we end up with nothing, just a few, like four months, three months later, but we were in LA.

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<v Jason Kravits>And it just so happened while I was there, I got an audition for a Napoleonic mean DA on the fourth season of the multi Emmy award winning television show, The Practice.

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<v Jason Kravits>And it was one episode, maybe two if the story continued.

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<v Jason Kravits>And it was supposed to be, I think Jason Alexander was supposed to do it, but he declined.

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<v Jason Kravits>And I auditioned and I was, I was in complete unknown.

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<v Jason Kravits>They did not tell casting that I had done the Aspen Comedy Festival.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was like, I was an actor from New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>Oh, right.

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<v Jason Kravits>I work in New York.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's your cred.

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<v Jason Kravits>I was an actor from New York.

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<v Jason Kravits>And that got me this gig.

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<v Jason Kravits>And they started, David Kelly, thankfully, started writing for my character and kept writing.

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<v Jason Kravits>And then I was there for two years.

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<v Nancy Magarill>That's so, I didn't know that.

00:20:19.560 --> 00:20:28.480
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, I did one season just as a recurring guest star for about, I did, gosh, out of 22, I probably did 13 of those episodes.

00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.740
<v Jason Kravits>And then he brought me back the next year as a series regular.

00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:32.640
<v Nancy Magarill>And that was my character.

00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:34.120
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, that's so great.

00:20:34.120 --> 00:20:35.860
<v Jason Kravits>Gotten down in a car at the end of that.

00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.560
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, they killed you off.

00:20:38.100 --> 00:20:39.680
<v Peter Michael Marino>That's the best way to go.

00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:41.260
<v Jason Kravits>Listen, man, I didn't expect to be there.

00:20:41.260 --> 00:20:42.520
<v Nancy Magarill>You can kill me off after two years.

00:20:42.520 --> 00:20:43.420
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, no, it's great.

00:20:43.420 --> 00:20:49.660
<v Peter Michael Marino>This is why when we were in Europe together, people recognized you, right, from those old TV shows.

00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:51.660
<v Jason Kravits>Well, from the old TV shows, maybe not that one.

00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:55.260
<v Jason Kravits>That one didn't play in a lot of places, but there were other ones that did.

00:20:55.260 --> 00:20:57.320
<v Jason Kravits>I think the last episode.

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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm leading into, so this began your career of being that guy, like DAs and stuff on a lot of these shows.

00:21:03.540 --> 00:21:13.120
<v Jason Kravits>I never got back into a series regular position, but I was certainly like, I got to play on a lot of stages and work with a lot of amazing people and idols of mine.

00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:17.700
<v Jason Kravits>I got to work with Peter Boyle on every bit.

00:21:17.700 --> 00:21:18.600
<v Jason Kravits>He loves Raymond.

00:21:18.600 --> 00:21:20.660
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my God, he is so fantastic.

00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:21.620
<v Jason Kravits>He was great.

00:21:21.620 --> 00:21:23.400
<v Jason Kravits>And he was so nice to me.

00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:24.780
<v Jason Kravits>He was like the sweetest guy.

00:21:24.780 --> 00:21:26.740
<v Jason Kravits>So I got that under my belt.

00:21:26.760 --> 00:21:27.660
<v Nancy Magarill>That's another one.

00:21:27.660 --> 00:21:33.000
<v Jason Kravits>And then just so many shows that I've gotten to do over the years and people to play with.

00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.480
<v Jason Kravits>So it's been really fulfilling.

00:21:34.580 --> 00:21:40.300
<v Jason Kravits>I think the last, the one that I get recognized the most for in Europe is I was on the last episode of Friends.

00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:42.800
<v Peter Michael Marino>Of course.

00:21:42.800 --> 00:21:47.200
<v Jason Kravits>I had one scene on the last episode of Friends, and especially in the UK, man, they...

00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:47.920
<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean...

00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:50.020
<v Jason Kravits>It's beyond what happens in the United States.

00:21:50.020 --> 00:21:52.480
<v Jason Kravits>They love Friends.

00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:54.500
<v Jason Kravits>So when I say, yeah, I was the guy in the...

00:21:54.500 --> 00:21:56.520
<v Jason Kravits>You were the guy in the cab in the last episode?

00:21:56.520 --> 00:21:57.900
<v Jason Kravits>Oh my God, you were in Phoebe's cab?

00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:58.520
<v Jason Kravits>Tell me everything.

00:21:58.520 --> 00:21:59.640
<v Jason Kravits>Who did you meet for the night?

00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:00.660
<v Peter Michael Marino>They love it.

00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:00.920
<v Jason Kravits>So...

00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.340
<v Nancy Magarill>My niece is a huge Friends fan.

00:22:04.340 --> 00:22:07.100
<v Nancy Magarill>She's gonna go nuts when I text her after this.

00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:08.940
<v Jason Kravits>I was in the cab in the last episode.

00:22:09.020 --> 00:22:10.240
<v Jason Kravits>I got into Phoebe's cab.

00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:11.920
<v Jason Kravits>That's my claim to fame there.

00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.280
<v Jason Kravits>The other one that I get a lot of these days because it's replayed generation after generation is Gilmore Girl.

00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:19.160
<v Jason Kravits>I had one episode of Gilmore.

00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.800
<v Peter Michael Marino>See, I don't watch enough TV to know any of this.

00:22:21.800 --> 00:22:27.260
<v Jason Kravits>I don't, you know, when I realized it was a thing, I had literally one episode of Gilmore Girls.

00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:33.620
<v Jason Kravits>And I don't remember much about the character or the episode except for what I got to do on the episode.

00:22:33.620 --> 00:22:36.100
<v Jason Kravits>I was their neighbor and that was all I remember.

00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:38.300
<v Jason Kravits>And I asked her to water my lawn.

00:22:38.780 --> 00:22:43.960
<v Jason Kravits>Well, I was walking through Macy's probably about five, six years ago around Christmas.

00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:44.820
<v Jason Kravits>Jesus.

00:22:44.820 --> 00:22:52.800
<v Jason Kravits>This young woman, probably, I'm going to guess, 19 or 20, who was working there for Christmas, you know, like seasonal or employee.

00:22:52.800 --> 00:22:56.340
<v Jason Kravits>She was, oh my God, it's Dwight from 8 o'clock at the Oasis.

00:22:56.340 --> 00:22:59.180
<v Jason Kravits>And I'm like, I don't know, what are you talking about?

00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:04.240
<v Jason Kravits>Your character, you played Dwight in the episode 8 o'clock at the Oasis on Gilmore Girls.

00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.200
<v Jason Kravits>I love that show.

00:23:05.420 --> 00:23:06.840
<v Jason Kravits>I'm like, how?

00:23:06.840 --> 00:23:09.900
<v Jason Kravits>I don't remember that, but she did.

00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:15.740
<v Nancy Magarill>Does that happen to you a lot, where people think they know you or they, like you have one of those faces, right?

00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:20.860
<v Nancy Magarill>Where people probably all the time are saying, I think they're always right though, how they know you.

00:23:20.860 --> 00:23:23.440
<v Jason Kravits>No, I get a lot of like, is your name Scooter?

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.140
<v Jason Kravits>Did you go to Yale?

00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:26.040
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh really?

00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:28.960
<v Jason Kravits>Well, I was in Hawaii years ago, 10 years ago.

00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>This is a real story.

00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.220
<v Jason Kravits>Somebody said to me, do you live on the big island?

00:23:35.780 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Jason Kravits>The big island of Manhattan.

00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.540
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, right.

00:23:39.540 --> 00:23:40.780
<v Jason Kravits>You know, I've had so much.

00:23:40.780 --> 00:23:47.220
<v Jason Kravits>I had somebody recognize me on the subway once when I was with my son when he was very young and he was like, can I ask you a question?

00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:49.400
<v Jason Kravits>I was like, you sure?

00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:50.700
<v Jason Kravits>Are you a parole officer?

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:51.320
<v Jason Kravits>No.

00:23:51.340 --> 00:23:53.180
<v Nancy Magarill>Are you a parole officer?

00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.760
<v Jason Kravits>Are you with your criminal justice system in some way?

00:23:56.760 --> 00:23:57.640
<v Jason Kravits>No, I don't.

00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.580
<v Jason Kravits>Do you recognize me?

00:23:59.580 --> 00:24:00.580
<v Jason Kravits>No, no, I don't.

00:24:00.580 --> 00:24:00.900
<v Peter Michael Marino>Goodbye.

00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:01.540
<v Jason Kravits>Have a nice day.

00:24:01.540 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my God.

00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.800
<v Nancy Magarill>You're like, okay, I'm leaving now, fast.

00:24:05.820 --> 00:24:08.400
<v Peter Michael Marino>I met this young actress.

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:14.860
<v Peter Michael Marino>She actually wound up becoming like a huge YouTube sensation and then she fell very, very hard due to some inappropriate things.

00:24:14.860 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Nancy Magarill>Going crazy.

00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:23.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>And Jason Egan from Ars Nova hooked me up with her because she was this talent and she needed some direction.

00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:27.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>And we met at the West Bank and where everybody is.

00:24:27.540 --> 00:24:30.580
<v Peter Michael Marino>And she's with a friend, two friends.

00:24:30.580 --> 00:24:32.260
<v Peter Michael Marino>This is my friend John, this is my friend Matt.

00:24:32.600 --> 00:24:34.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>Hey, hi, nice to meet you.

00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:37.280
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, Matt, I, oh, your friend's a shill ahead, right?

00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:38.280
<v Peter Michael Marino>Nope, don't know her.

00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:40.160
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, Suzanne Hefner?

00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:41.140
<v Peter Michael Marino>No.

00:24:41.140 --> 00:24:44.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>No, no, oh, I thought you were like, she was Syracuse?

00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:45.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>I know, oh.

00:24:45.700 --> 00:24:47.580
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, God, it's gonna drive me crazy.

00:24:47.580 --> 00:24:48.900
<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, we'll figure it out.

00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:49.860
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's like I knew him.

00:24:49.860 --> 00:24:50.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>I met him.

00:24:50.500 --> 00:24:51.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>I did-a-da-da-da-da.

00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:52.580
<v Nancy Magarill>He's probably some big star.

00:24:52.580 --> 00:24:55.620
<v Peter Michael Marino>Fucking Matt Stone, the guy who wrote fucking.

00:24:55.620 --> 00:24:56.080
<v Jason Kravits>South Park.

00:24:56.080 --> 00:24:57.260
<v Peter Michael Marino>Everything, South Park and everything.

00:24:57.260 --> 00:24:59.140
<v Nancy Magarill>Isn't that the weirdest thing when that happens though?

00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:00.560
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh my God.

00:25:00.560 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Peter Michael Marino>I did not get the job.

00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.620
<v Nancy Magarill>But I've learned to actually keep my mouth shut when I think I know someone now.

00:25:06.620 --> 00:25:11.500
<v Nancy Magarill>Because you know, it's like, you know you're going to know, oh, right, they're from something that you've seen.

00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:16.980
<v Jason Kravits>Now, the opposite could happen if you, it's like, it's like your best friend's brother and you're like, oh, don't say anything.

00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:17.600
<v Jason Kravits>Don't say anything.

00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:19.260
<v Jason Kravits>You're like, why are you ignoring me?

00:25:19.260 --> 00:25:20.580
<v Jason Kravits>What the hell?

00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:23.180
<v Jason Kravits>I thought you were famous.

00:25:24.800 --> 00:25:26.140
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

00:25:26.340 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Jason Kravits>I have realized that I was talking about this recently, that when people talk to me about different shows that I've done, I have an anecdote for every single one of them.

00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Jason Kravits>It's like I had somebody go through my resume with me and they're like, what about this show?

00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.060
<v Jason Kravits>And I'm like, well, this is what I remember about that.

00:25:43.060 --> 00:25:44.460
<v Jason Kravits>It's your book.

00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.180
<v Jason Kravits>It's my book that no one's going to want to read.

00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:47.540
<v Nancy Magarill>But are you writing a book?

00:25:47.540 --> 00:25:48.500
<v Jason Kravits>No, I don't know.

00:25:48.500 --> 00:25:49.660
<v Peter Michael Marino>No, don't read it when you die.

00:25:49.660 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Peter Michael Marino>Don't worry.

00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>You should do it.

00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:53.700
<v Jason Kravits>Maybe, maybe you should do it.

00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:57.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, this is my part of the, this is the part of the podcast where I give our guest an assignment.

00:25:57.540 --> 00:25:59.240
<v Nancy Magarill>You're getting earlier and earlier.

00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:02.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>It used to just happen at the end, but sorry, Jason.

00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:03.740
<v Jason Kravits>You have enough things to assign.

00:26:03.740 --> 00:26:04.220
<v Jason Kravits>That's a gift.

00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Peter Michael Marino>Wait, so I just want to jump real quick to like your first Broadway show.

00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:10.600
<v Jason Kravits>Broadway.

00:26:10.600 --> 00:26:16.620
<v Peter Michael Marino>It was a Broadway show that also just got a lot of attention because of circumstances within the show.

00:26:16.620 --> 00:26:17.860
<v Nancy Magarill>Tell them what was it?

00:26:17.860 --> 00:26:19.320
<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, we're going to find out.

00:26:19.320 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Jason Kravits>My first Broadway show?

00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:21.160
<v Peter Michael Marino>I think it's.

00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:22.940
<v Jason Kravits>I'm not sure.

00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:23.740
<v Jason Kravits>Was it a musical?

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:24.760
<v Jason Kravits>Are you talking about a musical?

00:26:24.760 --> 00:26:25.800
<v Jason Kravits>No, it was not a musical.

00:26:25.800 --> 00:26:27.040
<v Jason Kravits>My first Broadway show was not.

00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:32.740
<v Jason Kravits>It was actually Sly Fox in 2003, which was an update of Vulpone, the show Vulpone.

00:26:32.740 --> 00:26:33.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>With Uta Hagen?

00:26:33.700 --> 00:26:34.800
<v Jason Kravits>No, no, no.

00:26:34.800 --> 00:26:39.140
<v Jason Kravits>Sly Fox was originally done and it was written by Larry Gelbart of MASH fame.

00:26:39.140 --> 00:26:39.560
<v Peter Michael Marino>Of course.

00:26:39.580 --> 00:26:40.140
<v Jason Kravits>And he.

00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:43.920
<v Peter Michael Marino>Also, I think he is a Syracuse graduate, actually.

00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:44.980
<v Peter Michael Marino>Maybe.

00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:55.260
<v Jason Kravits>Well, he wrote an update of an old play called Vulpone, and it took place in the American West and it starred George C.

00:26:55.260 --> 00:26:57.740
<v Jason Kravits>Scott was the original character.

00:26:57.740 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Jason Kravits>They did it again in 2003 using Richard Dreyfuss.

00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:14.120
<v Jason Kravits>And it was a star-studded cast of that era, which was Eric Stoltz and René Auberjonois, and Elizabeth Berkley, and Bob Dishy, Justice and Bronson Pinchot, all these people.

00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:14.500
<v Jason Kravits>And then-

00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:15.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>Was it the Roundabout?

00:27:15.700 --> 00:27:17.000
<v Jason Kravits>No, it was Broadway.

00:27:17.060 --> 00:27:18.600
<v Jason Kravits>It was a Broadway show, and then they-

00:27:18.600 --> 00:27:20.120
<v Peter Michael Marino>Roundabout is Broadway shows, isn't it?

00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:22.360
<v Jason Kravits>Well, no, it was like a straight commercial run.

00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:23.040
<v Peter Michael Marino>Ah, okay.

00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:30.220
<v Jason Kravits>And it was directed by the amazing Arthur Penn, who directed Bonnie and Clyde, most famously.

00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:33.620
<v Jason Kravits>So they were doing a replacement cast, as Broadway does.

00:27:33.620 --> 00:27:36.900
<v Jason Kravits>They were changing up the cast at a certain point when contracts run out.

00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:39.980
<v Jason Kravits>And Richard Kind was taking over for Richard Dreyfuss.

00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:45.760
<v Jason Kravits>Bronson was moving up to Eric Stoltz's role, and they brought in Carol Kane for one of the roles.

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Jason Kravits>And I replaced Bronson in the cast.

00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Jason Kravits>And it was tumultuous, I would say.

00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh God, I didn't expect that.

00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.280
<v Jason Kravits>And we rehearsed with Arthur Penn for three weeks.

00:27:56.280 --> 00:27:57.620
<v Jason Kravits>He wanted to redo the show.

00:27:57.620 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Jason Kravits>It had gotten out of hand, and he wanted to contain it again.

00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Peter Michael Marino>Wow.

00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:07.900
<v Jason Kravits>And so he worked with us for three weeks, and we ran for two and closed.

00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Jason Kravits>So that was my first Broadway experience.

00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:11.740
<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, okay.

00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:16.280
<v Jason Kravits>But my second Broadway experience was a show called The Drowsy Chaperone, which I think is what you're referring to.

00:28:16.280 --> 00:28:17.220
<v Nancy Magarill>Was that with Sutton Foster?

00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:21.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>If you want to stop for one moment, we might stop because my heat decided to come on.

00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:22.320
<v Nancy Magarill>It doesn't matter.

00:28:22.320 --> 00:28:22.900
<v Jason Kravits>I can't hear.

00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:23.840
<v Jason Kravits>I can hear a click or two.

00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:24.700
<v Nancy Magarill>I heard a click, yeah.

00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:26.020
<v Peter Michael Marino>Maybe we won't even edit this out.

00:28:26.020 --> 00:28:27.280
<v Peter Michael Marino>This is real life, folks.

00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:28.060
<v Jason Kravits>This is how it works.

00:28:28.760 --> 00:28:29.260
<v Jason Kravits>This is it.

00:28:29.260 --> 00:28:31.600
<v Nancy Magarill>We just did an episode with someone chopping wood.

00:28:31.600 --> 00:28:33.440
<v Nancy Magarill>I think we've reached that level.

00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Jason Kravits>Oh, you've broken that one, yeah.

00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>That's a euphemism, by the way.

00:28:36.540 --> 00:28:37.120
<v Jason Kravits>Oh, really?

00:28:37.120 --> 00:28:39.300
<v Jason Kravits>So we're chopping wood, aren't we?

00:28:39.300 --> 00:28:41.080
<v Jason Kravits>I don't get you.

00:28:41.080 --> 00:28:46.320
<v Jason Kravits>Yes, we did the the Drowsy Chaperone, which is a Tony Award winning show.

00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:50.140
<v Peter Michael Marino>And you're not contractually obligated to say Tony Award winning show.

00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:51.280
<v Jason Kravits>I just want to brag a little bit.

00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:54.260
<v Jason Kravits>I have very little to do with it because it was for the writing of the show.

00:28:54.260 --> 00:28:55.580
<v Jason Kravits>More than anything else.

00:28:55.580 --> 00:29:03.040
<v Jason Kravits>Sutton Foster, Beth Level, Danny Burstein, just quite a cast, great, great group.

00:29:03.040 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Jason Kravits>Georgia Angle.

00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:05.780
<v Jason Kravits>What?

00:29:05.780 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Jason Kravits>That's a good Danny.

00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.100
<v Peter Michael Marino>My Danny Burstein.

00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Jason Kravits>And then I got cast to play one of the roles and they were looking for someone who could play my brother.

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.520
<v Jason Kravits>And I got my brother involved and he played my brother.

00:29:18.520 --> 00:29:21.580
<v Jason Kravits>And we played these kind of old vaudevillian gangsters, which was-

00:29:21.580 --> 00:29:22.800
<v Peter Michael Marino>Does that word vaudeville again?

00:29:22.800 --> 00:29:23.740
<v Jason Kravits>A lot of, yeah.

00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Jason Kravits>You know, vaudeville is where it all started.

00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Peter Michael Marino>My friend, on my notes, my pre-show notes, it says vaudeville.

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.600
<v Peter Michael Marino>That is what I want to talk to you about, because I've always thought Jason Kravits lived three different lives.

00:29:36.600 --> 00:29:41.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>The one he's in now, somehow he was a comedian at the Borscht Belt, you know, very young.

00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:42.820
<v Peter Michael Marino>That didn't work out somehow.

00:29:42.860 --> 00:29:45.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>And then it came, game recycled back to Jason now.

00:29:45.540 --> 00:29:52.520
<v Peter Michael Marino>And the one before that is that you were on some vaudeville stage with checkered pants and carrying a suitcase and singing and a dance.

00:29:52.660 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Jason Kravits>I got ukelele's galore here.

00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.120
<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, yes, this is.

00:29:56.120 --> 00:30:00.580
<v Jason Kravits>I tap dancing ukelele's, you know, I play the song.

00:30:00.580 --> 00:30:01.460
<v Jason Kravits>I play the song.

00:30:01.460 --> 00:30:03.040
<v Jason Kravits>I play the musical song.

00:30:03.040 --> 00:30:10.740
<v Jason Kravits>So it's like literally anything that was popular popular in vaudeville seems to be where my my heart goes.

00:30:10.760 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Nancy Magarill>Wow.

00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.000
<v Jason Kravits>And if I don't know why or I have I have two accordions that I don't know how to play.

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.040
<v Jason Kravits>But I feel like they should be a part of my stick.

00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:20.560
<v Peter Michael Marino>Dude, you can do a whole YouTube series of Jason learns accordion.

00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:23.620
<v Jason Kravits>Oh, sorry.

00:30:23.620 --> 00:30:25.820
<v Jason Kravits>Sorry.

00:30:25.820 --> 00:30:35.320
<v Peter Michael Marino>So my question is that Jason, because I feel like you're you were a TV kid the way I am, that like I know what's showed on TV in the tri-state area.

00:30:35.320 --> 00:30:40.580
<v Peter Michael Marino>And so I always bond with all these people of a certain age about like shows we watched on these weird networks.

00:30:40.620 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Peter Michael Marino>Did you watch like Hal Roach stuff and Leon Schlesinger and all those coming back to Betty Boop actually written by the person who wrote The Drowsy Chaperone, the parts that you didn't.

00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.760
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, I feel like I lived a totally different reality than you guys.

00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:00.200
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't know.

00:31:01.820 --> 00:31:04.740
<v Jason Kravits>I knew all the little rascal stuff by heart.

00:31:04.940 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Jason Kravits>I knew all that.

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.120
<v Jason Kravits>I mean, I...

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:08.600
<v Peter Michael Marino>Laurel and Hardy.

00:31:08.600 --> 00:31:09.080
<v Jason Kravits>Oh, yeah.

00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:09.740
<v Jason Kravits>We had to...

00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:11.760
<v Peter Michael Marino>Three Stooges.

00:31:11.760 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Jason Kravits>And even the Marx Brothers.

00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.220
<v Jason Kravits>I knew the Marx Brothers early.

00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:18.520
<v Peter Michael Marino>And even just watching old black and white movie, comedy movies.

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Peter Michael Marino>Full length features.

00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:26.480
<v Jason Kravits>The real influences for me were my parents had the Alan Sherman album, My Son the Folk Singer.

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.080
<v Jason Kravits>And I knew those songs back and forth.

00:31:29.080 --> 00:31:33.820
<v Jason Kravits>Even if I didn't understand they were parodies, they were parody or satires of other songs.

00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:35.080
<v Jason Kravits>Very Borsch Belt humor.

00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.040
<v Jason Kravits>I knew them.

00:31:36.040 --> 00:31:39.180
<v Jason Kravits>I knew that it made people laugh and it would make my family laugh.

00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.340
<v Jason Kravits>So that's where we focused our attention.

00:31:41.340 --> 00:31:43.480
<v Peter Michael Marino>This is Alan Sherman of the Sherman Brothers?

00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.360
<v Jason Kravits>No, Alan Sherman of Hello Mudda, Hello Fada.

00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, OK.

00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:47.840
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah.

00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:51.580
<v Jason Kravits>And he had a lot of like parody songs of his era.

00:31:51.580 --> 00:31:53.280
<v Jason Kravits>And I loved those.

00:31:53.280 --> 00:31:58.040
<v Jason Kravits>And then the Smothers Brothers were big influence for my brother and I.

00:31:58.040 --> 00:31:59.840
<v Jason Kravits>We used to do a lot of Smothers Brothers routines.

00:31:59.840 --> 00:32:00.820
<v Jason Kravits>We would imitate them.

00:32:01.060 --> 00:32:04.560
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, that was the era of stuff that I was really into.

00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:06.500
<v Jason Kravits>And then Looney Tunes, man.

00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:17.580
<v Jason Kravits>I mean, we were quoting entire Looney Tunes episodes, the Mad Scientist episode with the giant monster.

00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:18.520
<v Peter Michael Marino>Celery stalk.

00:32:18.520 --> 00:32:22.660
<v Jason Kravits>What an interesting monster, it's like, who knows that?

00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:24.380
<v Nancy Magarill>You know what's so interesting about that?

00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:28.260
<v Nancy Magarill>Kids now and younger comedians don't have those influences.

00:32:28.840 --> 00:32:37.140
<v Nancy Magarill>They really, the cartoons that they grew up with are very different, are so much less mature and less interesting and creative.

00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Nancy Magarill>And the comedians are much more, not political, but they're something very different.

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.080
<v Nancy Magarill>They're not as outrageous, you know?

00:32:47.080 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Jason Kravits>Well, if you think about a lot of the comedy that I'm talking about growing up with, that wasn't even meant for kids originally.

00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:52.660
<v Nancy Magarill>Right.

00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:55.020
<v Jason Kravits>You know, it was like the Looney Tunes was not meant for kids.

00:32:55.020 --> 00:32:59.380
<v Jason Kravits>They were meant for people before movies and to, you know, all that stuff was the references.

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:02.360
<v Jason Kravits>Well, I mean, if you think about like, Yeah, you're right though.

00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:10.380
<v Jason Kravits>What kind of, you know, kids, you know, who would aim a cartoon about an opera with the kids?

00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:13.280
<v Jason Kravits>You know, you have this entire, who would do Edward G.

00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Jason Kravits>Robinson type characters for kids?

00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.280
<v Jason Kravits>It was meant for adults.

00:33:17.280 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Jason Kravits>And I think that's why it was just a different sensibility, you know, but those were our memes in a way.

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.800
<v Jason Kravits>You know, these people are growing up in these memes.

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:32.060
<v Jason Kravits>Our memes were the phrases that we got from Porky Pig and Gaffey Duck and Marvin the Martian and people like that.

00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Peter Michael Marino>I think also having a limited number of channels is what exposed us to those other things and not a whole lot more.

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.040
<v Peter Michael Marino>You know what I'm saying?

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:49.280
<v Peter Michael Marino>And kids now have, also, we could not record things for a long time.

00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:51.780
<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, I'm sure like me, I use my taper.

00:33:51.780 --> 00:33:53.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>I tape recorded the Jeffersons.

00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:56.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>That was my favorite thing to act out the Jeffersons.

00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:59.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>Nothing weird about that.

00:33:59.080 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Peter Michael Marino>But I just found that show hilarious.

00:34:02.800 --> 00:34:06.560
<v Peter Michael Marino>The writing, the banter, the characters killed me.

00:34:06.560 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Peter Michael Marino>Then we got VCRs.

00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>So maybe we wouldn't go to the movies and see new movies.

00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:12.620
<v Peter Michael Marino>We would just watch that.

00:34:12.620 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Peter Michael Marino>The Seven Faces of Death movie over and over and over and over again.

00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.600
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't know, VCRs, we were still going to movies when there were VCRs.

00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Jason Kravits>Spinal Tap was my favorite.

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>Not when I was like a teenager.

00:34:22.460 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Peter Michael Marino>It was much easier to just sit around the basement and watch.

00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:32.780
<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm just saying, we can see how technology has opened our world, but it's also limited it.

00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Jason Kravits>I think one of the problems in society is that we're always being divided in smaller groups.

00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.500
<v Jason Kravits>We don't have a communal experience anymore.

00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:50.340
<v Jason Kravits>And even as far back as early as the early 2000s, I was just listening to somebody talk about this.

00:34:50.340 --> 00:35:01.040
<v Jason Kravits>Will and Grace was one of the main cultural phenomenons that helped overturn bans on gay marriage.

00:35:01.040 --> 00:35:03.720
<v Jason Kravits>Because people started seeing this, and that's what you watched.

00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:05.180
<v Jason Kravits>You watched what was on television.

00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:09.340
<v Jason Kravits>You didn't kind of go to whatever little thing was carved out for you.

00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Jason Kravits>And so when you think about a successful show right now, like Succession or Severance or one of these, everybody's talking about these shows.

00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Jason Kravits>Everybody's talking about these shows.

00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.640
<v Jason Kravits>Even Squid Game and those during the pandemic, where everybody was talking about.

00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:30.100
<v Jason Kravits>They have such a microscopic audience compared to your average sitcom in the early 2000s.

00:35:30.100 --> 00:35:33.200
<v Jason Kravits>And doesn't have to be something as big as Seinfeld or Friends in the 90s.

00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Jason Kravits>Or even a Will and Grace things that people were like, oh, I know, I've seen that show, or any of these sitcoms that were on TV.

00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.540
<v Jason Kravits>That's what people watched, because you had three or four or five choices.

00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:44.100
<v Nancy Magarill>Right.

00:35:44.100 --> 00:35:55.640
<v Jason Kravits>So a society, as a society, the fair had to kind of fit enough people, enough people sensibilities that they could, that they'd be interested in tuning in.

00:35:55.640 --> 00:36:03.120
<v Jason Kravits>So you had to hit a lot of different audience, and then you could come, have everybody come to a consensus about moving forward on things.

00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Jason Kravits>So all these shows, even...

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.160
<v Nancy Magarill>That's so well put.

00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:18.200
<v Jason Kravits>The Jeffersons and things like that were revolutionary just because everybody was seeing, like, I heard a quote in a book that was talking about 1973, I think it was about that year.

00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:23.340
<v Jason Kravits>And that was when Hollywood was very much the focus for music and film and television.

00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:24.780
<v Jason Kravits>Everything was happening there.

00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:29.120
<v Jason Kravits>And they were talking about the predecessor to the Jeffersons, All in the Family.

00:36:29.120 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Jason Kravits>And they were saying, All in the Family, the way they described it was, it was about the negotiating, the, what did they call it?

00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Jason Kravits>Not the silent generation.

00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Jason Kravits>Was it the silent generation?

00:36:39.540 --> 00:36:45.260
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah, the silent generation, negotiating the terms of surrender with the new generation.

00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:46.120
<v Nancy Magarill>Wow.

00:36:46.120 --> 00:36:51.980
<v Jason Kravits>And it was kind of like Archie, even Carol O'Connor would say, Archie was not a likable guy.

00:36:51.980 --> 00:36:53.300
<v Jason Kravits>No one's a bee like Archie.

00:36:53.300 --> 00:37:09.260
<v Jason Kravits>But it was his world that he was having to give up and recognize, oh, there are people who are anti-war, there are people who were draft dodgers, and they're good people, and there were people who are black, and there were people, and here's Sammy Davis Jr., and here's my, I can't treat my neighbors like they're lesser than me, and they're black.

00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.020
<v Jason Kravits>And that's what that was about.

00:37:12.020 --> 00:37:25.560
<v Jason Kravits>And so the fracturing of television has, and movies and everything else, and music has made our culture very separate and kind of given rise to where we're at now and how we can't really relate to each other anymore.

00:37:25.560 --> 00:37:28.160
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, that and also the abuse of the internet.

00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:38.040
<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, the internet was the great game changer, the great equalizer, and then people learned how to manipulate people with it and own it.

00:37:38.040 --> 00:37:46.340
<v Nancy Magarill>And so then it's also helped them spread propaganda, disinformation, there's a lot of, it still could do that.

00:37:46.340 --> 00:37:50.140
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's also helped a lot of people spread really great stuff.

00:37:50.140 --> 00:37:50.640
<v Peter Michael Marino>Absolutely.

00:37:50.780 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Peter Michael Marino>Like many of Jason's projects of late have been very, very, I mean, that's what I do in the co-host.

00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:01.520
<v Nancy Magarill>And it always will.

00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:08.040
<v Nancy Magarill>I think that's the beauty of creators and that we will always create and we will always keep it going.

00:38:08.040 --> 00:38:16.180
<v Nancy Magarill>You know, even in times like this where we're concerned, where rightfully we're concerned, because there's a lot of really crazy shit going on.

00:38:16.180 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Nancy Magarill>And it's, that's our job, right?

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.100
<v Nancy Magarill>As artists, as to draw it out.

00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:24.340
<v Jason Kravits>It's, I think that we're missing the consensus anymore with the art.

00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:29.720
<v Jason Kravits>Art was, art in my mind is a way of bringing people together in ways.

00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Jason Kravits>And it's harder, it's harder to do now than it ever has been thanks to the digitalization of everything.

00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:36.040
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

00:38:36.040 --> 00:38:37.160
<v Jason Kravits>But as Pete is turning...

00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:39.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>And easier, and easier.

00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.240
<v Jason Kravits>And easier as well.

00:38:40.240 --> 00:38:41.080
<v Jason Kravits>You're right.

00:38:41.080 --> 00:38:44.100
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, you're such an artist, Peter.

00:38:44.100 --> 00:38:44.720
<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm not.

00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:52.940
<v Peter Michael Marino>We're literally talking to somebody who has had major, like millions of views on things that he created that were only distributed on the Internet.

00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:53.540
<v Jason Kravits>This is true.

00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:54.300
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's a way of...

00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:55.020
<v Peter Michael Marino>There you go.

00:38:55.020 --> 00:38:57.180
<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm going to play both sides of the cairn.

00:38:57.180 --> 00:38:57.820
<v Jason Kravits>Do it, baby.

00:38:57.820 --> 00:38:58.380
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

00:38:58.380 --> 00:38:58.940
<v Peter Michael Marino>That's all.

00:38:58.940 --> 00:38:59.200
<v Nancy Magarill>Wow.

00:38:59.200 --> 00:38:59.660
<v Jason Kravits>Okay, great.

00:38:59.660 --> 00:39:00.900
<v Nancy Magarill>Okay, on that note.

00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:02.160
<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, I mean, yeah, you can find...

00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:06.100
<v Peter Michael Marino>Listener can find out about all the great things that Jason has done online.

00:39:06.100 --> 00:39:06.900
<v Peter Michael Marino>He's very...

00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Peter Michael Marino>Viral songs and viral videos and political things.

00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Nancy Magarill>And his songs are great.

00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:11.820
<v Jason Kravits>Thank you.

00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:15.300
<v Jason Kravits>The pandemic for me was like a choice creative moment.

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.040
<v Jason Kravits>No offense to him.

00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:18.720
<v Jason Kravits>He lost people in the pandemic and it was a horrible thing.

00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:22.780
<v Jason Kravits>And there was a lot of unnecessary death and destruction and ruining of lives.

00:39:23.060 --> 00:39:23.940
<v Jason Kravits>Yes.

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Jason Kravits>And I think I found during the pandemic that it was a time that I could...

00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.120
<v Jason Kravits>I was so overjoyed.

00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.500
<v Jason Kravits>You didn't have to like get into the hustle bustle of everything.

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:40.340
<v Jason Kravits>You could just sit and create things and then share them with people as pizza online.

00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Jason Kravits>So I found a lot of solace in that and then a real enjoyment of that.

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Jason Kravits>I learned how to edit.

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.120
<v Jason Kravits>I learned how to record.

00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:49.700
<v Jason Kravits>It was really great.

00:39:49.700 --> 00:39:51.300
<v Jason Kravits>It was a great moment for me.

00:39:51.740 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Jason Kravits>And I'm trying to extend that, but the rap race creeps in.

00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, I think that's the thing that is a challenge to always do and to stay on top of all the technical stuff that's out there.

00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.220
<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, we're doing the podcast, the same thing.

00:40:06.220 --> 00:40:08.380
<v Nancy Magarill>It's this wonderful world that's opened up.

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:13.120
<v Nancy Magarill>I never thought in my life I'd do a podcast and here it is and it's great.

00:40:13.120 --> 00:40:16.780
<v Nancy Magarill>It's a great way to reach people and talk to people, meet people like you.

00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:19.960
<v Peter Michael Marino>You guys don't already know each other?

00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.560
<v Nancy Magarill>No, we met.

00:40:21.560 --> 00:40:23.220
<v Nancy Magarill>I don't know if we met through you or Kelly.

00:40:23.220 --> 00:40:24.680
<v Nancy Magarill>I think I knew.

00:40:24.680 --> 00:40:25.740
<v Jason Kravits>No, it's through Peter.

00:40:25.740 --> 00:40:28.020
<v Jason Kravits>I don't talk to Kelly as often as I'd like.

00:40:28.020 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Jason Kravits>So it was probably through Pete.

00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.140
<v Jason Kravits>She participated in some of my pandemic, group performance pieces.

00:40:35.140 --> 00:40:35.900
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh really?

00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:36.340
<v Jason Kravits>Yeah.

00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Jason Kravits>I had an idea.

00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.740
<v Nancy Magarill>I'm gonna kill her for not telling me.

00:40:39.740 --> 00:40:42.220
<v Jason Kravits>Oh well, it was a, I don't know.

00:40:42.220 --> 00:40:43.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>There was a pandemic going on.

00:40:43.540 --> 00:40:44.640
<v Peter Michael Marino>There was a pandemic, a lot going on.

00:40:44.680 --> 00:40:46.040
<v Jason Kravits>A lot of things happening.

00:40:46.040 --> 00:41:04.900
<v Jason Kravits>Basically what happened was during the early part of the pandemic, if you remember, there was a much panned video going around featuring Gal Gadot who had said, Hey guys, I was listening to this song being played and I want to sing my song with my friends.

00:41:04.900 --> 00:41:06.720
<v Jason Kravits>We're going to sing the song Imagine.

00:41:06.720 --> 00:41:21.100
<v Jason Kravits>And so she starts singing Imagine and it cuts to all these famous people that she got to sing it as well in completely different keys and completely different tempos standing in their luxury houses in their big huge gardens while everybody's cooped up in their apartments.

00:41:21.100 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Jason Kravits>And it was a little tone deaf.

00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Jason Kravits>And so I went on Facebook and I said, who wants to do a version of what we just saw, but we're going to use the stick song Come Sail Away.

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.220
<v Jason Kravits>And so I got a lot of people to join in on that.

00:41:38.220 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Jason Kravits>And I said, just send me a clip of you singing some of the song and people went nuts.

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Jason Kravits>Because no one was doing anything.

00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Jason Kravits>They're like, I can participate.

00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.980
<v Jason Kravits>And then I cut it together into a thing.

00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Jason Kravits>And then people were like, let's do another one.

00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Jason Kravits>So I was like, well, let's do another kitschy song, like Total Eclipse of the Heart.

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.040
<v Jason Kravits>And then we did Africa.

00:41:57.040 --> 00:42:00.520
<v Jason Kravits>We do all these greatest hits of the 70s and 80s.

00:42:00.520 --> 00:42:03.020
<v Jason Kravits>And then people started taking it seriously.

00:42:03.020 --> 00:42:09.900
<v Jason Kravits>And people were sending in the videos of themselves playing instruments and then singing in the same key and at the same tempo.

00:42:10.680 --> 00:42:15.620
<v Jason Kravits>And then we were doing Under Pressure and we were doing Happy Together.

00:42:15.620 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Jason Kravits>And it was just like whatever song struck my vibe for what I was feeling at that moment, which was sometimes terrified, sometimes positive, sometimes, you know, just chill and wanting to enjoy my time with my friends.

00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:32.500
<v Jason Kravits>And I would just have people send me clips and I'd spend time editing it and then I'd release it.

00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Jason Kravits>So we did like 12 of them.

00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:39.420
<v Peter Michael Marino>You became the We Are the World Wide Net.

00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Peter Michael Marino>You became the We Are the World Wide Web.

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:50.420
<v Peter Michael Marino>Hey, Jason, before you go, my mother loves you and she listens to our podcast every Sunday and gives me notes.

00:42:50.420 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Peter Michael Marino>Not as many notes lately, we're improving.

00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:52.740
<v Nancy Magarill>Wow.

00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:54.600
<v Nancy Magarill>I feel better about that.

00:42:54.600 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Peter Michael Marino>Just say hello to Flo.

00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Jason Kravits>Hey Flo.

00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:57.980
<v Jason Kravits>Hello Flo.

00:42:58.420 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Peter Michael Marino>Thank you, Nancy.

00:42:59.540 --> 00:43:00.140
<v Nancy Magarill>Hi Flo.

00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:00.940
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:02.160
<v Peter Michael Marino>She only had one note for you.

00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:03.340
<v Peter Michael Marino>She just had plenty for me.

00:43:03.340 --> 00:43:04.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>So don't worry.

00:43:04.540 --> 00:43:07.300
<v Jason Kravits>Let me know if she has any for me.

00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:07.980
<v Peter Michael Marino>Too late.

00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Jason Kravits>Let me know if she has any for me, too.

00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:10.900
<v Peter Michael Marino>We can see what she says about me.

00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:12.020
<v Peter Michael Marino>We love you, Jason.

00:43:12.020 --> 00:43:19.660
<v Peter Michael Marino>And we're grateful that you're bringing stuff to New York all the time, bringing stuff to the Internet all the time.

00:43:19.660 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Peter Michael Marino>And you're in a freaking Disney cartoon.

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.700
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, I'm so happy for you.

00:43:23.700 --> 00:43:24.720
<v Peter Michael Marino>Movie cartoon.

00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:26.860
<v Jason Kravits>Hey, can I make a plug?

00:43:26.860 --> 00:43:27.140
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.

00:43:27.140 --> 00:43:28.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.

00:43:28.080 --> 00:43:30.640
<v Jason Kravits>July 10th at Joe's Pub.

00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:33.580
<v Jason Kravits>I'm doing my show that I've done for 10 years.

00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:34.600
<v Peter Michael Marino>Never ending.

00:43:34.600 --> 00:43:35.740
<v Jason Kravits>It's called Off the Top.

00:43:35.740 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Jason Kravits>It's a one man's cabaret musical improvised show.

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.560
<v Jason Kravits>And it's been going pretty well.

00:43:43.560 --> 00:43:46.100
<v Jason Kravits>So we're doing it July 10th at Joe's Pub.

00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:47.180
<v Peter Michael Marino>Hey, thanks for checking this out.

00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:49.980
<v Peter Michael Marino>Links to today's guests can be found in the show notes.

00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:54.980
<v Nancy Magarill>Don't forget to subscribe, like us, rate us and tell all your friends about Arts and Craft.