Arts and Craft
A new chat show that dives into the lives of musicians, filmmakers, performers, and artists from all walks of life, revealing the untold stories and hidden secrets that drive their creativity. Hosted by Nancy Magarill and Peter Michael Marino.
Arts and Craft
AnnMarie Milazzo - vocal designer, singer, lyricist
AnnMarie Milazzo is a Tony, Grammy, Drama Desk, and Outer Critics Circle Award-nominated vocal designer. She’s also a vocalist, lyricist, and composer who’s worked on Broadway and internationally. On this episode, AnnMarie gets vocal about vocal design and her writing and editing process while preparing for the June opening of her newest Broadway musical, “JOY: A New True Musical.”
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Lucky Us (co-music & lyrics with David Foster), A Walk On The Moon, The Snow Guardian, Pretty Dead Girl, (winner of the Special Jury Award Sundance Film Festival) and Joy. As Vocal Designer: Spring Awakening, Next to Normal, If/Then, Finding Neverland, revival of Carrie, Bright Lights Big City, Superhero, Dangerous Beauty, Prometheus Bound, Some Lovers, Dave, A Walk On The Moon, revival of 1776, Almost Famous, A Beautiful Noise. As Co-Orchestrator of Once On This Island, AnnMarie was nominated for a Tony, Grammy, Drama Desk, and Outer Critics Circle Award. She is the Grammy-nominated female vocalist for East Village Opera Company.
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Produced and Edited by Arts and Craft.
Theme Music: Sound Gallery by Dmitry Taras.
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<v AnnMarie Milazzo>What I love and is difficult at the same time is the collaboration.
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<v SPEAKER_1>There's so many people, but you just gotta trust that the team, everyone has their eye on this.
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<v SPEAKER_1>We wanna go forward, and so you can't be the one that's, you just can't.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You have to go, you have to do it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You have to be really flexible.
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<v Nancy Magarill>She is a Tony, Grammy, Drama Desk, and Outer Critics nominated vocal designer.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>She's also a vocalist, lyricist, and composer who has worked on Broadway and toured internationally.
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<v Nancy Magarill>AnnMarie Milazzo graces us on today's episode.
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<v Nancy Magarill>My name is Nancy Magarill.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm a singer, songwriter, composer, performer, graphic, and web designer.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And I'm Peter Michael Marino, and I'm a writer, producer, creator, performer, and educator.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We are New York-based artists you may or may not have heard of.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And we are here to introduce you to other artists you may or may not have heard of.
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<v Nancy Magarill>All right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So we now know you are the busiest woman in show business, right?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, we all are, aren't we?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Because we all didn't work for five years.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I know.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I actually have a day gig.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I was working the whole time during that craziness.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Were you really?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Gosh, God, I wish I was.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Where did you work?
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I have a day gig where I do graphics and web design.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Because you're super talented and I only do one thing.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I want to talk to you about it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Because when I met you ages ago through Ben Butler, and I think we were in his apartment or something, and I don't even remember why I met you, but you were around the scene anyway, and you were playing in town.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We were all playing the same clubs.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then I sort of like disappeared.
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<v Nancy Magarill>We all kind of went our own ways.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And the next thing I knew, you were doing all this work on Broadway.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Like all of a sudden I heard that you were like the go-to person for doing Broadway vocal design.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And both Pete and I, like the first thing we were like is, what does vocal design really mean?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Because there's sound design, there's arrangements.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What is the difference?
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<v Nancy Magarill>What is vocal design?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I would say the difference is it's what I call it because it's, I feel like vocal arranging, I don't feel like that's even, I don't even think that's a thing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, when you arrange something, like if you arrange music, you could put the chorus here, you could cut the verse, or you could add things, you move things around, you just flip the bridge, you could do anything.
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<v SPEAKER_1>To me, that's arranging.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But when you design vocals, you are kind of like a lighting designer.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So you're dealing with texture, you're dealing with plot, you're dealing with inner monologue, outer plot pushing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You're literally designing the journey of the song.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So that and you get to pick and choose textures and colors, and you could create worlds.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You could just move plot.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's just, it's designing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So I just call it what it is.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And hopefully it'll catch on because I truly believe that's what it is.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Because I have arranged songs.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm like, oh, this could have a pre-con, but that's not what that is.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Right.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So it's designing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It truly is.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And are you working with the arranger?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Like you're working together the way it?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, no.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Basically what happens is a composer, from my experience, it's so individual.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But how I work is the composer sends me the song, and then I read the script, and then I ask many questions.
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<v SPEAKER_1>How many colors do I have, meaning who's in the cast?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Are they plot pushing?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Is it the world?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have five men and five women, typically.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So I break it down, usually two altos, two sopranos, two tenors, two baritones, and then I'll use other ones for counter.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I do all my work around the song, and then orchestrators and arrangers will do their thing, and then I'll move my stuff.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But that's how I've always worked.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And you're able to do that before you know who's cast?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And then, so yes, so it lives in, it lives in kind of this, this compartment over here.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And then when you set it on actual people, you like, oh, wow, the timbres are different.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And then I can weave and change, you know, so it's, it goes in stages.
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<v SPEAKER_1>There's definitely stages.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, and someone has to do sheet music, of course, get that out of the way.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But it will always move and change, because I like to know the sounds that I'm working with.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You don't know who you have, right?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's kind of like naming the baby before you see it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm always, oh, you're not James, you're David, you know?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I can thank you for having me not be able to get the song, Dreamer In Disguise, which is sung by Tommy Ross in the Off-Broadway revival of Carrie, not in the original.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And that song, that song works because there's very little underneath it.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Is that correct?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That is a very straightforward, I don't even know if it's guitar, maybe?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Is it guitar?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's...
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<v SPEAKER_1>Gosh, I don't even remember.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I haven't heard that in so long.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But yeah, I mean, it's interesting, you know, songs, individual songs in different environments need to function certain ways.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And it's whatever the, I work from the script, it's whatever the script needs.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Mm, so storytelling is a very big part of your...
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Huge, huge.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Otherwise it's just, oh, that sounds cool.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And where do you think that love and respect for storytelling came from?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, do you have a theater background?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Well, I love stories.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Who doesn't?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have a theater, my parents...
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Accountants, accountants.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, my parents always took me to theater.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, I was that kid that, you know, my grandmother and my mother used to read us stories all the time.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love stories.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, I just have a love for storytelling.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And my dad used to do theater.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I would be that little six year old girl on the back of the theater while he directed.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I just, I loved watching stories come to life.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, wow.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm always jealous of people who grew up in a theater.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Me too.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Right?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm always like, damn, I wish I had that.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I didn't see my first Broadway show until I was in junior high school.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And I was raised in Queens.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, New York City was so close.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Wow.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was from Vermont.
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<v SPEAKER_1>We would drive in the car in the station wagon, Woody.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And we would come to New York.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And that's because your dad is a director or your dad directed things.
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<v SPEAKER_1>He was the high school music teacher.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh.
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<v SPEAKER_1>He did all of the plays and the musicals.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And they were amazing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I would sit and just watch the stories come to life.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And then I got to memorize everyone's part.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And so hopefully would pray for someone to be sick.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I could step in during rehearsal and he would have me, you know, metal mantra, you're all don't say today.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You're Duncan.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I would know all the part.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, I was like, yes, dad.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Wow.
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<v Nancy Magarill>How often did you get to do that?
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<v SPEAKER_1>All the time.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, that's so great.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What an experience.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>So did you get cast in his show?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>When you were in high school then, did you get cast in his show?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, I did.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It would be like, oh, you're the daughter.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Nepotism.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was like, yes, I used it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, I did.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I also, you know, he didn't cast me in other things, but I really wanted it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>The family explosions, I can remember.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, wow.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Were you really mad if you didn't get the part you wanted?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was devastated.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was devastated, but he was like, but you know, you learn.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Tough break, kid.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Showbiz.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But how come you didn't go into that part of show business?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>You did not decide after high school, I want to be a musical.
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<v Nancy Magarill>You're a performer.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, I actually did when I first came to New York, I did a show called Bright Lights Big City.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>On Broadway?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, it wasn't on Broadway.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It was off Broadway.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And it was at the New York Theatre Workshop.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And it was wonderful.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I had a great time.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But I realized doing that because I also had bands.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was really, I loved performing in bands.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And so I was like, well, wait a minute, eight shows a week and I can't do anything else?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I can't.
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<v SPEAKER_1>This is, and I loved it, but it wasn't for me because I wanted to spread my wings and travel and sing and, you know, you're locked to the thing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You can't do anything else.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You just can't.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And it's not your voice.
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<v Nancy Magarill>You're not articulating what you think about.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Like, that's what happened to me.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I went to a theater conservatory and I came here and I started writing music.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I was like auditioning for stuff that I was like, I don't even know if I want to be in this.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I found myself just auditioning to get things.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Instead of like, I realized when I started writing songs, I wrote one song that I went, oh, wow, this is really cool that I can articulate this on my own terms.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I was like, right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I was like, I want to do that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And so I wanted to do my own music.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then I just got into that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I still do acting stuff and I still love that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But it is, it's something about having your own voice and being able to articulate what you want.
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<v SPEAKER_1>There is that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But I loved it all.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I wish I could have split myself in two.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I love singing those songs.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, I love musical theater.
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<v Nancy Magarill>You have such a great voice.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh my God.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Well, thank you.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But like, I just use different tones, different sounds.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But you know, you get one life.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You got to like, I mean, if I could, I'd split myself in 20, but you can't.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What is your passion?
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<v Nancy Magarill>What's the favorite thing that you love to do more than anything?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Writing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love writing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I just love writing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love writing stories.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I just love them.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love writing musicals.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love, I just love writing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Just it's so cool, right?
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<v SPEAKER_1>We get to write.
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<v SPEAKER_1>What?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It's so hard.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It takes so long.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's really hard and it takes long.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And there's going to be people like, hate what you do or love what you do, but you just have to like keep going forward because that's it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>That's all you got.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You're like, oh, you didn't like that story.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You didn't like that song.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I did.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, well.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Who cares?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Do you plan on writing a musical?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have written a musical and it goes up off Broadway this summer.
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<v SPEAKER_1>What?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Tell us.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Is this JOY the musical?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's called JOY.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And yes, I'm really excited about it.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh my God.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Of course.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Congratulations.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I don't know why I was focused on Carrie.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Let's go back to Carrie.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Tell us about JOY.
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<v SPEAKER_1>JOY is just a beautiful piece.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's a true story about this woman named Joy Mangano, who pretty much invented her way out of a better life.
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<v SPEAKER_1>She invented this thing called the Miracle Mop.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But she also invented many, many, many, many other things.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But it's really not about-
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<v Nancy Magarill>There was a movie about her.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Jennifer Lawrence.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yep.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And what I loved about the story is like it wasn't about the things that she invented.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It was just about the way that she put her family back together, because it's just truly a family story.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I met JOY herself and she, gosh, she was such an inspiration.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I just wanted to do that story.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So Ken Davenport wrote the book.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I work with the greatest people that just hold me up and say, hey, look at this, do better, do better, do better, do better, do better.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And you just got to rewrite it, rewrite it, rewrite it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But we're getting close to the first rehearsal.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Is that what you were workshopping?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, we workshopped, but then of course you see and then you have to rewrite.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You just have to continue to write it until, I don't know, until it freezes.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Until opening night, until it freezes two nights before opening.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Are you also doing your own arranging?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm doing all the vocals.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>So you're writing the lyrics and you're writing the music and you're arranging the vocals.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I'm working with this genius musical supervisor named Andy Einhorn.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Again, just surround yourself with the greatest, smartest people and hopefully push you up higher.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Now are you in it as well?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, thank God.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Eight shows a week.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>She's not doing eight shows a week.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I can't do that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I wish I could, but no, Betsy Wolfe is playing JOY.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>She's amazing.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>We love her.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Beautiful performer.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And Jilla Brown is playing Toots.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm just really, really excited about it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So we'll see.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Who knows.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's fantastic.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What is that like for you?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Because I've been in that situation, so as Pete, where you have to sit back and you have to be able to take in the whatever criticism changes with things that you love or things that you're like, you know, the director likes, but you don't, you're like, what is that like for you?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Killing your darlings, murdering your babies.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Killing and making them better, like how is that process for you?
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<v SPEAKER_1>You would think it would get easier.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And you know, I guess, I feel like as writers, you know this, which we're very emotional.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And we get, I've learned to graciously not get attached, but it still hurts, you know?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, no!
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<v SPEAKER_1>And you know, everyone pulls out the trunk songs, but yeah, the baby's died.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Save it for the cabaret show.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Cabaret show, we all got them.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But what I love, I love, and it's difficult at the same time is the collaboration.
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<v SPEAKER_1>There's so many people, but you just got to trust that the team, everyone has their eye on this.
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<v SPEAKER_1>We want to go forward.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And so you can't be the one that's, you just can't, you have to go, you have to do it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You have to be really flexible.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, you know, especially going into, you said you start rehearsals next week, right?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>So, you know, like a lot of stuff is going to change just from being, seeing it on its feet, right?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>What is Betsy bringing to it?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>What are, you know, everything, the director, the designers even, even like, I mean, every designer is going to bring something in and go, you know, I could do this thing here.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And maybe if you dropped out the music here for a moment and then you're like, oh, now I got to reorganize all that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I guess that's the fun part, right?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, is it?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It's a fun part when you like it all.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But when you're, when you're being told, you have to take this great closer for act one and make it an opening.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, that's true.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Or cut it and write something else because the plot changed.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But you know, I'd rather do that than so many other things that I've done in my life.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So I'm I'm OK with this bit of being uncomfortable, you know, because there's just.
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<v Nancy Magarill>How long have you been working on this piece?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, my God.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I've been working on JOY for six years.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's about right.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Six years.
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<v Nancy Magarill>How did it start?
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<v Nancy Magarill>How did this come about?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It came about where I was doing Deaf West.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was doing Deaf West Spring Awakening and I met the man, this producer named Ken Davenport.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Loved that by the way.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, I did too.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I loved that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I just worship those people and just have so much.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, I loved every inch of that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I met Ken Davenport.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I was trying to get Once On This Island up with Michael Arden because we had dreamed this project.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And Ken was the only one that wanted to do it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So I became friends with Ken.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I was rehearsing one day and he came up to me and he said, do you write?
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I said, yeah, that's, yep, I do.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And he said, would you be interested in pitching songs for a musical named JOY?
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I was like, absolutely, because I wanted my name in the ring, you know?
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I guess I won.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And we have forged a wonderful, wonderful collaborative relationship.
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<v SPEAKER_1>He's very collaborative.
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<v SPEAKER_1>He is also the book writer.
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<v SPEAKER_1>So it's like, wow.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's fantastic.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Crazy.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, had you written musicals before that?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have on my own many.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You can see the wall.
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<v SPEAKER_1>My wall of tears is over there.
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<v Nancy Magarill>There's so much heartbreak and joy, joy in writing and putting our own stuff up there.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It really is.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It's such like people don't understand how much it takes of us to do this work and then putting it out there and whether it goes flies or not.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Like it's just so emotional.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Well, you know, I think that I'm hoping that in the end of life, you're just your entire body of work is what will be your legacy, not just one or two.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, like, so I hope to have this beautiful scope of work.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Hopefully that has affected people in positive ways.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And so I don't think of it as one thing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm trying to think like about the whole picture, the whole body of work and how work changes your work because you grow.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And hopefully, and you don't want to keep doing the same things.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I get a lot of people, some, not a lot, but sometimes, oh, we want that Spring Awakening sound.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I'm like, well, then I'm not, I'm not your man.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't want to do that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I did that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I want to do something else.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, what's right for this?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, like, I don't even understand what that means.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But yeah, so I'm excited.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And you have to put yourself out there.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You get one life.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, so it's true.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You can't be terrified.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>What's your Desert Island record?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But it has to be a musical.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, I like that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It has to be a musical?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, like, yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>What's the musical that you don't mind listening to every day for the rest of your life?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Honestly, A Little Night Music.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, that's a good choice.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know why.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Is it, I mean, it is...
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<v SPEAKER_1>A Weekend in the Country.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I could say, I don't know.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I listened to that as a kid over and over and over.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And I love, I loved how all the parts fit together.
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<v SPEAKER_1>That whole Weekend in the Country, when there's six different people singing different things.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, that kind of makes sense.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, right?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That makes sense.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That so makes sense of why you do what you do.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I love it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I loved it.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And have you, you've seen the film it's based on?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>The Igmar Bergman film?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, I've seen the film.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I've never ever ever seen the stage production.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>What's happening?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, I don't know because I have such a love in my head.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I see it in my head.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I can, it's all in my head, staged and beautiful and perfect and I don't know.
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<v SPEAKER_1>That's the musical.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Seriously, I could wake up every day a little bit.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I could wake up to that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I love that song.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Wow.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Great musical.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I fell in love with The Most Happy Fella, the Broadway revival.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I think it was Lincoln Center probably 25 years ago.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But the device was it was just two pianos.
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<v SPEAKER_1>That was it.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That was the first time I was exposed to that show.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Then I just became obsessed.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I saw it all the time and maybe they had a cast recording.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I don't remember.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But then I heard like what it's supposed to sound like, like with an orchestra.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, and it was so disturbing.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It was really disturbing.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I was like, doesn't need all this.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It doesn't need all this.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Did you guys see the Sweeney Todd at Barrow Street with like a clarinet player and a piano player?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, it was it was a production that came from London.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was thrilled.
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<v SPEAKER_1>They were just eight.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It was done with eight people, a piano player and a woodwind and a pie.
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<v SPEAKER_1>They gave you pies.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It lacked for nothing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It lacked.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, it was thrilling.
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<v SPEAKER_1>You didn't need anything.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But it was my favorite.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I feel like Norm Lewis was, I feel Norm Lewis was, I didn't see, I can't remember the person that I saw do it.
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<v SPEAKER_1>But it was genius.
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<v SPEAKER_1>And they had no sat, everything came from vocals.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It was genius.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's cool.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That's so Up Your Alley too.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, really.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, I've known you for half an hour and I'm like, this is so Up Your Alley.
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<v Nancy Magarill>When you're creating all of these arrangements, are you like thinking in colors, in are you seeing scenes?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's all colors and all textures all the time.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Oh, that's so interesting.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I do believe everybody sees that.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I do believe that.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But yesterday we talked to a painter and she paints in music.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>As the way she puts it is it's music.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I hear music.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I see music.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>You're like the peanut butter and jelly.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Her work is very textile driven.
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<v Nancy Magarill>She does these really amazing paintings with textile and textures like that.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So it's really interesting.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I know your girlfriend, I believe is a painter as well.
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<v SPEAKER_1>She's a genius painter.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, Marlena.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I think you guys will all over the house really be interested in her.
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<v Nancy Magarill>She's somebody that we're going to be taking a, this is actually our last episode before we take a little bit of a summer break.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I'm going to be reaching out to her after the break, because I would love to have her on.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Tylee had told me all about her as well and her studio.
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<v Nancy Magarill>She's great.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>You know what's interesting, Nancy, is I'm noticing more and more that the people that we talk to, and Ann is clearly one of these people, that hardly anyone who's an artist, who's on this podcast, does one thing.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, well, most artists do a lot of things.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Do they?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Do most artists do a lot of things?
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<v Nancy Magarill>I think so.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I think they have to.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I think art can be very expansive and I think artists are inspired by other mediums.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, how can you not be?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, if you want to go to a museum, if you go to a museum, you'll see a lot of musicians, you'll see a lot of paint, or reading inspires melody.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, I literally think, and economically, I don't know an artist who can only do one thing.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Because how can you afford that?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, now for sure.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I had to spread my wings.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I was like, I need to do many, many things in order to keep my head above water.
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<v SPEAKER_1>This is true.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have to sing to make my-
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<v SPEAKER_1>I have to do many, many things.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Thank God, I feel like that was a blessing.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But I feel like there are film actors, that is what they do.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>They are actors in films.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>There are Broadway theater people.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, Bill Timoney is a good example of that, right?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Bill does theater all the time.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But he does ADR.
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<v Nancy Magarill>He does all this other stuff.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's right.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That's right.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I think if somebody-
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<v SPEAKER_1>But like Tony Bennett, painter, Joni Mitchell, painter.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, there are a lot of-
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<v SPEAKER_1>I feel like it's part of the same source.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I really do.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Not that you're as amazing at the craft, because you haven't-
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<v SPEAKER_1>but I just feel like it's part of this.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It has to be part of the same source.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I also think that if somebody's making a great living at film, for example, we might not know their other talents they have.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I think there's a lot of artists.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Sharon Stone is a good example of that, who's always been an actress as far as we've known her, right?
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, now she's got all these paintings that she's putting out there.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So I think that it is natural.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Maybe not everyone does it, but I think it's very natural for people that are talented, to have all sorts of talents.
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<v Nancy Magarill>When I lived in Paris, there was this singer I knew.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Her name is Mila.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I was kind of like trying to figure her out.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Turns out she is this unbelievable painter.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So she's got this whole singing career thing going on.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And then she's got this whole painting thing going on.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And it's just kind of like, it was mind blowing.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So brilliant, you know?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I think you just don't know.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And maybe one, maybe they, we all excel at one thing more than another.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But I think that it's just natural, you know?
00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:15.300
<v SPEAKER_1>It's how I feel.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Look, you Pete, you do your-
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I know, but I wonder why, like it literally was like a light bulb going off very recently, like in the past month.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And I was like, everybody on our show, and it's always artists, does like lots of stuff.
00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:29.260
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, maybe we should gravitate towards them.
00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:31.680
<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, I'm wondering if I was like, I'm very good.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, so like, I'm very good at being the audience.
00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.340
<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm very good at seeing like what the outside sees.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>So like, that's why like companies will hire me to like, can you turn this jumbo mumbo into something forward facing or public facing?
00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:47.300
<v Peter Michael Marino>Like, I'm good at kind of distilling things.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm not good at talking today, obviously.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>But, and why did I start talking about myself?
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<v Peter Michael Marino>There was a reason.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Why not?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Because artists do many things.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>That wasn't...
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<v Nancy Magarill>Including talking about ourselves.
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<v Nancy Magarill>That is definitely something that artists do.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm totally backwards.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm going to have fun editing this one.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>You're going to have a great time.
00:24:09.620 --> 00:24:10.280
<v Peter Michael Marino>Or not.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I mean, you left in one of them with Jason.
00:24:12.060 --> 00:24:13.260
<v Peter Michael Marino>I was like, oh, she left that in.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Great.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>It was great.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Well, it's gone.
00:24:17.980 --> 00:24:18.580
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's gone.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>There was something.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, I know you have limited time.
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<v Nancy Magarill>So let's talk again about your run because I want to talk because we're probably going to air this as you're getting your run ready.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, great.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What is the run of your show?
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's at the Laura Pels Theatre on 46th Street.
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:45.440
<v SPEAKER_1>It's near the, attached to the roundabout and it previews, I believe, June 11th and it opens July 24th and it only runs through mid-August.
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:49.820
<v SPEAKER_1>So it's more previews because we're trying to get the show right before reviews.
00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:52.820
<v SPEAKER_1>But yeah, so it's a beautiful theatre.
00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:54.820
<v Nancy Magarill>So what is the process for you guys?
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<v Nancy Magarill>So you're putting it up at the LARPels and then the hope is that it will be picked up and moved or it'll be extended?
00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Nancy Magarill>Like how is it, what is the trajectory for you, do you think for this?
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<v SPEAKER_1>Well, the trajectory is if we get the reviews, then they'll move it.
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.180
<v Peter Michael Marino>Transfer.
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:13.260
<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, they'll transfer it.
00:25:13.260 --> 00:25:21.800
<v SPEAKER_1>So if it doesn't, then I'm hoping it goes into some sort of, you know, it can be rented or I really don't know.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It will have a life.
00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:23.520
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
00:25:24.020 --> 00:25:25.300
<v SPEAKER_1>Because it's a family show.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Shows tend to, you know, ideally, a show will play on Broadway for X amount of weeks.
00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:36.820
<v Peter Michael Marino>And then it's like, I'm doing air quotes, then it's allowed to tour, right?
00:25:36.820 --> 00:25:39.040
<v Peter Michael Marino>Then it's able to be like a thing.
00:25:39.040 --> 00:25:41.340
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's proven and it can go on tour.
00:25:41.340 --> 00:25:45.820
<v Peter Michael Marino>And if it goes on tour, then the next thing you want is that it gets published.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>And then once it gets published, then you want people to be licensing that property and doing it at regional theaters and all kinds of places.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Please, yes, please.
00:25:55.060 --> 00:25:56.980
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, yeah, we would like that to happen.
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<v Nancy Magarill>You were doing a record as well?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I did, yeah, I did a singer-songwriter record of the show because I don't know, I thought that would be, I am a singer and I'll never, I wanted to hear it the way, in its purest form.
00:26:12.020 --> 00:26:21.460
<v SPEAKER_1>Because when you give it out to, you know, the orchestrator and other singers, it'll take on an amazing life of its own, but it's not the Genesis.
00:26:22.020 --> 00:26:26.520
<v SPEAKER_1>And since that's who I am at heart, I did that, yeah.
00:26:26.520 --> 00:26:27.580
<v Nancy Magarill>That's pretty cool.
00:26:27.580 --> 00:26:29.060
<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, it's called The Shape of Things.
00:26:29.060 --> 00:26:31.660
<v SPEAKER_1>So it's on JOY Machine Records.
00:26:31.660 --> 00:26:34.780
<v SPEAKER_1>And that JOY Machine Records is just a coincidence.
00:26:34.780 --> 00:26:37.080
<v Nancy Magarill>I was gonna ask, like, what?
00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:38.540
<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, what?
00:26:38.540 --> 00:26:39.820
<v SPEAKER_1>What is your record label?
00:26:39.820 --> 00:26:43.940
<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, Sonny Palladino's label and Brian Yuseb.
00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:45.840
<v SPEAKER_1>And yeah, so it was kind of crazy.
00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:49.740
<v SPEAKER_1>I was like, JOY Machine Records and it's for the musical JOY, but it's called The Shape of Things.
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.320
<v SPEAKER_1>And I, you know, Ben Butler is all over that record.
00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:53.880
<v Nancy Magarill>I love Ben Butler.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Rich Mercurio, Andy Einhorn, yeah.
00:26:56.120 --> 00:26:57.940
<v Nancy Magarill>It's a great group of musicians.
00:26:57.940 --> 00:26:58.060
<v SPEAKER_1>Oh.
00:26:58.060 --> 00:26:59.820
<v Nancy Magarill>That's like all the guys we came up with.
00:26:59.820 --> 00:27:00.280
<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:00.820
<v Nancy Magarill>Sort of.
00:27:00.820 --> 00:27:02.240
<v SPEAKER_1>All the cats.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, the cats are found.
00:27:03.260 --> 00:27:03.900
<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, why not?
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.140
<v SPEAKER_1>The greatest players on the planet.
00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:08.980
<v Nancy Magarill>Ben is a very heartfelt, sweet guitarist.
00:27:09.300 --> 00:27:10.120
<v SPEAKER_1>I love Ben.
00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:15.420
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, we just interviewed Rachel Sage and that's how I met Ben because he played with Rachel.
00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:16.600
<v SPEAKER_1>Of course, that's right.
00:27:16.600 --> 00:27:17.700
<v SPEAKER_1>How's Rachel doing?
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:18.540
<v Nancy Magarill>She's good.
00:27:19.040 --> 00:27:20.040
<v Nancy Magarill>Really nice chat with her.
00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:22.380
<v Peter Michael Marino>You'll find out in two weeks when you listen to her episode.
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:23.340
<v SPEAKER_1>I can't wait.
00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:25.040
<v SPEAKER_1>It's a blast from the past.
00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:26.120
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
00:27:26.120 --> 00:27:27.300
<v Nancy Magarill>She's out touring.
00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:29.180
<v Nancy Magarill>She's really out there.
00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:30.360
<v SPEAKER_1>She's awesome.
00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:31.500
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah, it's great.
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:38.080
<v Peter Michael Marino>What Broadway shows are you looking forward to seeing or what have you seen that you are looking forward to seeing again and why?
00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:39.680
<v SPEAKER_1>I loved Betty Boop.
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.360
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm working with David Foster on a musical and that's his show.
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.780
<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
00:27:43.780 --> 00:27:47.140
<v SPEAKER_1>And so I was like, it's fun.
00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:51.120
<v SPEAKER_1>You know, Susan Birkin and David Foster wrote Beautiful Music.
00:27:51.120 --> 00:27:52.560
<v SPEAKER_1>The show is amazing.
00:27:52.560 --> 00:27:54.040
<v SPEAKER_1>I saw The Outsiders.
00:27:54.040 --> 00:27:57.700
<v SPEAKER_1>I loved Maybe Happy Ending.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm going to that next week.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, it's so wonderful.
00:28:00.320 --> 00:28:01.180
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah, I can't wait.
00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:02.840
<v SPEAKER_1>And Gypsy was...
00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:03.760
<v SPEAKER_1>Loved it.
00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:04.980
<v SPEAKER_1>Andy Einhorn, that's his.
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:06.980
<v SPEAKER_1>He's the music supervisor for Gypsy.
00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:10.340
<v SPEAKER_1>But that show blew me away.
00:28:10.340 --> 00:28:10.900
<v Nancy Magarill>Me too.
00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:13.160
<v SPEAKER_1>The whole cast.
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.520
<v Nancy Magarill>I felt like I was seeing it for the first time.
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.120
<v Nancy Magarill>I've seen a lot of renditions of that.
00:28:18.120 --> 00:28:18.380
<v Nancy Magarill>Same with me.
00:28:19.040 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Nancy Magarill>And there were things I heard.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I actually went to check afterwards.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I'm like, did they rewrite this?
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.020
<v Nancy Magarill>Because I'm hearing things I've never heard before.
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<v Nancy Magarill>It was really interesting just the way that she portrayed her, I thought was so...
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<v SPEAKER_1>So amazing.
00:28:32.260 --> 00:28:32.600
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:34.440
<v SPEAKER_1>I loved Hell's Kitchen.
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:41.460
<v SPEAKER_1>There's not really a show that I'm not going to go, okay, I'm going to find many things that I'm going to love.
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.620
<v SPEAKER_1>But I know how freaking hard it is.
00:28:43.620 --> 00:28:44.060
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:45.520
<v SPEAKER_1>It is hard to write.
00:28:45.520 --> 00:28:47.960
<v SPEAKER_1>There is no recipe.
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.540
<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
00:28:48.540 --> 00:28:50.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>Have you done any teaching?
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.160
<v SPEAKER_1>I love to teach.
00:28:53.080 --> 00:28:56.420
<v SPEAKER_1>I honestly don't have...
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<v SPEAKER_1>I would want to put so much time.
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<v SPEAKER_1>I would love to...
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, I have.
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<v Nancy Magarill>What would you teach?
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<v SPEAKER_1>I would teach what I love to do.
00:29:04.660 --> 00:29:10.580
<v SPEAKER_1>And this is my favorite thing to do is to grab a group of people, and then we all make a vocal design.
00:29:10.580 --> 00:29:12.180
<v SPEAKER_1>We all do it.
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:12.580
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes.
00:29:12.580 --> 00:29:16.060
<v SPEAKER_1>And because everybody can do it, they just don't know...
00:29:16.060 --> 00:29:24.040
<v SPEAKER_1>People who don't even know music, you know, and it's like you can take 16 people and everybody can create their own part and just putting it together.
00:29:24.520 --> 00:29:27.660
<v SPEAKER_1>Or saying like, go, just sing any note.
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:31.320
<v SPEAKER_1>It's all 16 people at once, go, and then make it pretty.
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:38.780
<v SPEAKER_1>And everybody will find a way to flip that chord and it's like, takes a minute, but it will become a beautiful chord.
00:29:38.780 --> 00:29:39.840
<v SPEAKER_1>It's just fun.
00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:44.220
<v SPEAKER_1>It's fun things like that, that I love to do.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Yeah.
00:29:44.840 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Nancy Magarill>I'm going to pull a Pete now because Pete does this every episode.
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Nancy Magarill>He gives someone a job to do.
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<v Nancy Magarill>And I think that what you're doing would work with also what Tylee wants, what Tylee does sometimes where he takes people in group classes, where he has all these people come together in a group.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Imagine like the two of you, like you working with the design aspect of it and him working with the vocal coaching aspect of it.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Could be real.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I would take that class.
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<v Nancy Magarill>I would do that in a heartbeat.
00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:16.820
<v SPEAKER_1>And we talk about it constantly.
00:30:16.820 --> 00:30:22.320
<v SPEAKER_1>Like we should do this and I'm like, yes, but like just organizing that shit so hard.
00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:26.460
<v Nancy Magarill>I mean, I can't even get a lesson in with him right now because his schedule is so crazy.
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:28.020
<v Nancy Magarill>So I don't even know how you would do it.
00:30:28.020 --> 00:30:28.440
<v SPEAKER_1>I know.
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<v SPEAKER_1>He's so booked.
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Nancy Magarill>He's so booked.
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<v Nancy Magarill>But what a voice.
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:32.300
<v Nancy Magarill>Oh my God.
00:30:32.300 --> 00:30:33.220
<v Nancy Magarill>Doesn't he have an amazing...
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<v Nancy Magarill>Well, you guys did the East Village Opera Company together.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_1>We just naturally just fell into place.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yeah.
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<v Nancy Magarill>He has a gorgeous instrument.
00:30:42.540 --> 00:30:43.520
<v SPEAKER_1>Oh my God.
00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Nancy Magarill>Did you ever do vocal arrangements for him or vocal designing for him?
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:48.520
<v SPEAKER_1>For Tylee?
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, I never did.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>No.
00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Peter Michael Marino>My assignment and I don't call it a job, Nancy.
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:54.620
<v Peter Michael Marino>I call it an assignment.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I'm sorry.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>I feel like what you're talking about with the voices is like a drum circle without the drums.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Exactly.
00:31:04.520 --> 00:31:05.400
<v SPEAKER_1>It's exactly what it is.
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:16.320
<v Peter Michael Marino>That it's creating like a vibe and a movement and emotion and it's bringing people together, which also sounds like very much part of your thing.
00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:17.360
<v Peter Michael Marino>It is.
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<v SPEAKER_1>It's exactly.
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:26.140
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's corny to say harmony, but there is you like, yeah, you like the elements to all be kind of inharmonious.
00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Peter Michael Marino>Harmonious.
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.980
<v Peter Michael Marino>Why am I a podcaster?
00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:31.740
<v Peter Michael Marino>I can't form sentences.
00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:32.320
<v Peter Michael Marino>What's happening?
00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Peter Michael Marino>We're tired.
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<v SPEAKER_1>No, that's what we did with Once On This Island.
00:31:35.260 --> 00:31:40.600
<v SPEAKER_1>Once On This Island, it did go to Broadway, but originally we wanted it to be in the park.
00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:47.920
<v SPEAKER_1>That was the original concept, and we were going to have like a text chain, Come See a Happening, and it was created.
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:48.660
<v SPEAKER_1>I designed it.
00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:51.100
<v SPEAKER_1>They didn't even need to have one instrument, not one.
00:31:51.100 --> 00:31:54.040
<v SPEAKER_1>It's all vocal design within an inch of its life.
00:31:54.040 --> 00:31:59.720
<v SPEAKER_1>And just if the actors would have drums, and that didn't work out, but that was the big dream of that.
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.280
<v SPEAKER_1>And I'm grateful it went to Broadway, but it wasn't conceived that way.
00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:05.460
<v SPEAKER_1>I really wanted it to be happening.
00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:07.700
<v Nancy Magarill>That could have been John Shakespeare in the Park.
00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Peter Michael Marino>I was going to ask, is it because you saw hair when you were a child?
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:12.920
<v Nancy Magarill>I loved hair.
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.460
<v Peter Michael Marino>Of course you did.
00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:15.900
<v SPEAKER_1>I was Chrissy.
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.040
<v SPEAKER_1>I was Chrissy in hair.
00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:18.540
<v Peter Michael Marino>Oh, you were Chrissy, Frank Mills.
00:32:18.540 --> 00:32:19.920
<v SPEAKER_1>I was Frank Mills.
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.320
<v SPEAKER_1>I wanted Sheila, but I was Chrissy.
00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:25.040
<v Nancy Magarill>Was that because your father cast you as Chrissy?
00:32:25.040 --> 00:32:32.260
<v SPEAKER_1>No, this was when I came to New York and I got some job, and we went to Europe with a one-way ticket and no money, but I was Chrissy, and I lived.
00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:35.760
<v Nancy Magarill>I found my way home.
00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:36.420
<v SPEAKER_1>I did.
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:37.460
<v SPEAKER_1>I found my way home.
00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:38.780
<v SPEAKER_1>You guys have been wonderful.
00:32:38.780 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Nancy Magarill>Well, thank you so much.
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:40.560
<v Peter Michael Marino>You too.
00:32:40.560 --> 00:32:43.700
<v Peter Michael Marino>We can't wait to come see your big Broadway show.
00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:44.640
<v SPEAKER_1>Please come.
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.600
<v Nancy Magarill>We definitely will.
00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:47.740
<v Peter Michael Marino>Very exciting.
00:32:48.120 --> 00:32:49.420
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm excited for you both.
00:32:49.420 --> 00:32:49.900
<v Peter Michael Marino>I love this podcast.
00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Peter Michael Marino>I was totally geeking out over your credits.
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Peter Michael Marino>The experience is such a broad range.
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.080
<v SPEAKER_1>I also walk dogs.
00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:01.020
<v SPEAKER_1>I do that really well too.
00:33:03.300 --> 00:33:04.600
<v SPEAKER_1>I used to be a dog walker.
00:33:04.600 --> 00:33:06.060
<v SPEAKER_1>It was one of my favorite jobs.
00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Peter Michael Marino>It's something to fall back on.
00:33:08.120 --> 00:33:09.400
<v SPEAKER_1>I think about it all the time.
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:10.880
<v SPEAKER_1>It was so peaceful.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.520
<v SPEAKER_1>I just had all these Archie, Maggie, Mazlin Pugs, Cooper Bates, Cordelia.
00:33:14.520 --> 00:33:15.420
<v SPEAKER_1>Those are my dogs.
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:16.540
<v SPEAKER_1>I loved them.
00:33:16.540 --> 00:33:18.120
<v SPEAKER_1>I used to walk by the water.
00:33:18.120 --> 00:33:20.440
<v SPEAKER_1>I loved that job.
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:21.260
<v SPEAKER_1>I could do it again.
00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:29.520
<v Nancy Magarill>I did that in Paris and I had a dog that was the most rambunctious puppy that was about my height and I almost lost him.
00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:32.060
<v Nancy Magarill>He was so rambunctious and jumped.
00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:33.260
<v Nancy Magarill>I had to give him up.
00:33:33.260 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Nancy Magarill>I was like, I'm going to lose your dog if you let me continue to walk him and so I can't do it.
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.140
<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah, I know.
00:33:39.140 --> 00:33:39.800
<v SPEAKER_1>It's stressful.
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:40.680
<v SPEAKER_1>It was for my dog.
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.420
<v Nancy Magarill>I loved that job.
00:33:41.420 --> 00:33:43.540
<v SPEAKER_1>It was so quiet by the water.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Anyway, we do a lot of things.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Yes.
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<v Nancy Magarill>All right.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Thank you so much.
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<v SPEAKER_1>Have a good one.
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Peter Michael Marino>Thank you.
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:51.820
<v Peter Michael Marino>Keep up the great work.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Hey, thanks for checking us out.
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<v Peter Michael Marino>Links to today's guests can be found in the show notes.
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<v Nancy Magarill>Don't forget to subscribe, like us, rate us and tell all your friends about Arts and Craft.
